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WHI-1215 | Rid of My Disgrace

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How should Christians respond to the growing number of sexual abuse cases? How does this issue affect the mental and spiritual lives of both victims and perpetrators of this form of assault? More importantly, how should we apply the gospel of grace in these situations? Mike Horton will be discussing these questions with Justin and Lindsey Holcomb, authors of Rid of My Disgrace: Hope and Healing for Victims of Sexual Assault (originally aired Dec. 30, 2012)How should Christians respond to the growing number of sexual abuse cases? How does this issue affect the mental and spiritual lives of both victims and perpetrators of this form of assault? More importantly, how should we apply the gospel of grace in these situations? Mike Horton will be discussing these questions with Justin and Lindsey Holcomb, authors of Rid of My Disgrace: Hope and Healing for Victims of Sexual Assault (originally aired Dec. 30, 2012)


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  • [&] WHI-1215 | Rid of My Disgrace  White Horse Inn Blog. [&]

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  • Guest - John Bauman

    Turns out we're all just driving on a circular drive. Even when we think we're purposely heading away from moralistic, therapeutic deism, we end up pulling right back up to it. It just looks different from behind than it does from ahead.

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  • [&] 2. White Horse Inn interviews Justin Holcomb about how Christians should respond to sexual abuse [&]

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  • Guest - Paul Swift

    John Bauman,

    Assuming I grasp your analogy--of which I am no means sure, due to your non-qualification of "we" throughout--in what ways does this interview promote moralistic therapeutic deism, what alternatives do you constructively propose, and on what grounds do you base your choice of the latter?

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  • Guest - John Bauman

    It tends to eventually come back to some pragmatic function of Christianity. We may be more careful about the lines we draw between gospel and law, but we always end up on exactly the same course. The "why" does matter, but it doesn't seem to lead us on a different course.

    I wouldn't suggest it do otherwise. I guess I'm just observing that either the differences aren't as great as we'd wish them to be, and maybe we could be more gracious in assigning motivations to those who are in a different spot on the circular drive leading to the same place.

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  • Guest - Paul Swift

    John Bauman,

    Thanks for clarifying your original post. Here's why I would disagree.

    As I'm sure you're aware, WHI began using the phrase "moralistic therapeutic deism" following interviews some years ago with its coiners/researchers Christian Smith and Kenda Creasy Dean, the term describing a minimal set of beliefs for which its adherents hold no higher--more uniquely Christian--doctrines. My recollection of every negatively connotated usage of the term by the WHI hosts since that time has been in the context of the effective negation of the Gospel in the diet of the church; that is, its effective replacement of the living preaching of the whole counsel of God.

    Your comments miss the mark, however, because the topic of the current broadcast is not at all whether the Word is being faithfully preached, but rather a particular application of the second table of the law. In that light, the discussion is both saturated with the Gospel (hence not "Moralistic") and manifestly Trinitarian (hence not "Deistic"). That leaves the "T" of MTD. I would argue that pastoral care (* and as a Congregationalist at least, that can sometimes be exercised by laity *) necessarily aims at the betterment of one's neighbor's lot, and the steps involved in the betterment can sometimes be described as "Therapeutic"--but the motivation, means and message of such love are diametrically opposed to the shared term as understood in MTD.

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  • Guest - John Bauman

    Good answer.

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  • Guest - Paul Swift

    John Bauman,

    Thanks. Lest my didactic prolixity hide the fact, I sympathize with your concern; I'm sure we agree that to the degree our congregation hears primarily a series of "here's how to fix X in your life", the balance can be tipping toward a Christless MTD. But I'm also convinced that the most faithful pastor preaching on, say, Amnon and Tamar, would be compelled to offer an invitation for the application of particular care to any who were so wounded; the moreso if pastoral visitation--in whatever form--brings the issue to light.

    Against those--I'm not saying you!!!--who would argue that the Word alone is sufficient in such cases, and that "therapy" is de facto worldly, James 2:14-17 is clearly still in effect. Newton's--champion of all the Solas!--"therapeutic" treatment of Cowper puts them to shame.

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  • [&] someone who has been and are wondering how the gospel can help you deal with sexual abuse please click this link and listen to the audio. It is titled Rid of My Disgrace and is by Michael Horton on the White Horse Inn. [&]

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