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WHI-1212 | An Interview with R.C. Sproul

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On this edition of the White Horse Inn, I'll speak with R.C. Sproul, Chairman of Ligonier Ministries and author of numerous books including The Holiness of God, The Truth of the Cross, and Knowing Scripture. We'll be discussing many of the problems affecting the contemporary church: the similarities between liberalism and evangelicalism, the rise of deism, and the failure of contemporary models of discipleship (original air date, Sept. 7, 2008).On this edition of the White Horse Inn, I'll speak with R.C. Sproul, Chairman of Ligonier Ministries and author of numerous books including The Holiness of God, The Truth of the Cross, and Knowing Scripture. We'll be discussing many of the problems affecting the contemporary church: the similarities between liberalism and evangelicalism, the rise of deism, and the failure of contemporary models of discipleship (original air date, Sept. 7, 2008).


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  • Syzgus,
    Observe for yourself. After all, I am speaking about those whom I have observed. And of those I have observed, this is a moderate to strong tendency especially by those who stress obtaining eternal life and living a righteously selfish life.

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  • John,
    There is a double message here. Faith isn't a commodity and thus to be so relegated to all other commodities we pay for.

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  • Guest - Syzygus

    Curt Day,

    Please *specify* *names* of conservative Christian teachers, ministers, professors who stress "living a righteously selfish life." Many conservative Christians I have observed are publically known teachers whom you have also observed, read, and heard. I don't know of *any* conservative teachers who preach living in enmity with God, living against God, and "living a righteously selfish life," but you state in the first post that *all* conservative Christians preach that message.

    I'm at a complete loss in understanding how you could have come to such an uncharitable (and unrecognizable) view of what conservative Christians actually believe and teach, and how we live our lives in community.

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  • [&] Just realized that Michael Horton and R.C. Sproul recently spoke about deism being rife in American evangelicalism, and how it dovetails with Pelagianism.  Also interesting [&]

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  • Syzgus,
    There is no need to name names when the criteria is so clear. And those who teach others that they can live for themselves as long as they do so righteously fit this criteria. The difference between being reconciled to God and regarding faith as an after-life insurance policy is found in whether we are taught to live for God and then others or whether we are taught to live for self but follow the rules. Those who teach the latter suggest that faith is something we exercise for ourselves and not in response to being at enmity with God.

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  • Guest - Syzygus Yokefellow

    "There is no need to name names"

    Curt Day, I emphatically disagree with that irresponsible course of (in)action.

    If conservative Christian teachers are teaching others the decidedly unbiblical, unchristian, anti-christian error of either exclusively or primarily "living for self" rather than firstly "living for God and then others," as you stated, then there is the *greatest* of needs to name names, meticulously quote and cite their errors, and publically condemn them for leading people astray. I'm puzzled by your statement to start this thread that *all* conservative Christians teach such gross heresy when I don't know of *any* personally and in the larger, global Reformed Christian community who do so. Did you misspeak and mean *some* "conservative Christians" teach such lies? However many, each one of them should be publically NAMED, their harmful works exposed in detail and, if ultimately resistant to correction and repentance, then condemned and shunned.

    So, please name some names and provide some quotes and citations of their errors. Thank you.

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  • [&] The Gospel is about the Atonement, of which the personal relationship of “at-one-ment” with God is the result. “The atonement through Christ, says R. C. Sproul, is the core of the Gospel. What happens is, the Gospel becomes a personal relationship within Jesus. The devil has a personal relationship with Jesus. What kind of personal relationship, what is the ground of that personal relationship. Obviously, being a Christian involves having a personal relationship with Jesus but there is content to that relationship. When you lose the Gospel you lose Christ.” (The White Horse Inn podcast, “Interview with R. C. Sproul) [&]

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  • [&] The Gospel is about the Atonement, of which the personal relationship of “at-one-ment” with God is the result. “The atonement through Christ, says R. C. Sproul, is the core of the Gospel. What happens is, the Gospel becomes a personal relationship within Jesus. The devil has a personal relationship with Jesus. What kind of personal relationship, what is the ground of that personal relationship. Obviously, being a Christian involves having a personal relationship with Jesus but there is content to that relationship. When you lose the Gospel you lose Christ.” (The White Horse Inn podcast, “Interview with R. C. Sproul) [&]

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  • Paul,
    I found your note rather humorous in that it seems to suggest that only those on the political left allow their politics to influence their understanding of the Scriptures.

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  • Guest - Paul Swift

    Curt Day,

    My note to Syzygus never came close to generalizing about "those on the political left". It clearly reads as intended, as an alert to him (new to the site as far as I could remember) not to assume that your own usage of the term "Conservative" carried anything but theological implications; the whole note was directed to clarifying your own terminology, nothing more, and thus it was filled with relevant quotes of yours. I confess cluelessness as to how that could have led to your conclusion.

    What I read above was your having made an unsubstantiated charge that some, if not all, in the reformed theological movement have no credibility due to their conservative political affiliation and, when pressed for specifics, refusing to name a single name or document a single charge. Those tactics do not advance your argument.

    This is said in all sincerity, Curt: I would be happy to privately direct you to a major conservative political site which contains ample evidence over a long tenure of my arguing the complete opposite of what you claim I was saying above; I have very few friends there, as a matter of fact, because I continually hammer the point that political affiliation per se can not produce a righteousness that will stand on the last day, and that if political liberals must guard against the errors of the Sadducees, conservatives must guard against Pharisaism. I will not post those links here, but you have my permission to get my contact info from WHI if you'd like.

    Apart from those feathers flying, it was nice to hear from you after these several months!

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