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WHI-1211 | Youth Ministry & Youth Culture

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What are the assumptions about "youth" in our time, and how do those assumptions differ from what we find in Scripture? How do technology and social media ghettoize today's kids? In a time of perpetual adolescence, how should we form our children to become mature adults? As we conclude our series on Youth Ministry, I'll be discussing these important questions with T. David Gordon, author of Why Johnny Can't Preach.What are the assumptions about "youth" in our time, and how do those assumptions differ from what we find in Scripture? How do technology and social media ghettoize today's kids? In a time of perpetual adolescence, how should we form our children to become mature adults? As we conclude our series on Youth Ministry, I'll be discussing these important questions with T. David Gordon, author of Why Johnny Can't Preach.


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  • Guest - Bob McDowell

    Can you provide a reference for your statement that churches with youth groups retain fewer of their kids as adults?

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  • Guest - Shane Rosenthal

    Bob,

    We've asked T. David Gordon to cite the particular studies he had in mind, and we'll post it here when he sends us that information.

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  • I appreciate the question above by Bob McDowell because I think he is questioning the apparent dismissal of youth ministries by this current stream of thinking.

    There is an assumption that I don't think is being proven. The assumption is that there is a category of youth that are not being retained by the church; and the cause is the youth group. But would it not be wise to consider that "throwing the baby out with the wash" is not necessarily the solution?

    Perhaps there is still a need for a youth group, but one that embraces different ideals? Surely proponents of this "new thinking" have considered objections. What are they?

    Also the argument that "adolescence" isn't in the Bible seems to be somewhat irrelevant. Titus 2 seems to grant some liberty to call up the need for some aspects of Christian discipleship to be gender and age specific.

    So how about retaining a youth ministry and simply tweek what needs to be tweeked?

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  • Guest - Shane Rosenthal

    James,

    Throughout this series, we have heard from pastors and youth pastors who are convinced that the current model of youth ministry needed tweaking. During this last program, however, T. David Gordon argued that the entire system needed to be re-evaluated. Our approach was to let our listeners hear from a wide perspective of voices on this issue, in order to foster further discussion, and to encourage further scriptural reflection on these important matters.

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  • [&] alerted me to this latest White Horse Inn and the quote below. If you still have children at home, Id encourage you to listen to what [&]

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  • Thank you Shane.

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  • Guest - Bob McDowell

    Shane,
    Thank you.

    James,
    I want to read further. What Dr. Gordon said seems to ring true, but "ad fontes"!

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  • Guest - Shane Rosenthal

    Dr. Gordon suggests that we read some of the youth ministry related articles published at The Aquila Report. Start with the article linked below and then continue with the related posts at the bottom of the page:

    Youth Groups Driving Christian Teens to Abandon Faith

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  • GHETTOIZED? And I have to battle with black youth that leave the church because they've listened to Black Muslims propaganda that Christianity is the "white man's " religion? Great job! Keep running those minority youth off while I delete you! GHETTOIZED 60 YR OLD CHRISTIAN WHO HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT A REFORMED THEOLOGY IN AN OBAMA WORLD!

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  • Guest - John Bauman

    heh. It's hopeless.

    "Ghetto" predates the American urban scene by scores of decades. It originally referred to sections of cities to which Jews were relegated. In the context of the WHI, I did and would always infer that reference -- not the American urban reference.

    Still, even if I inferred the latter, I would take it to mean "separated".

    I'm reminded of the kerfuffle that arose years ago when a public figure used the word "niggardly". No amount of explaining that the word had no common meaning -- not even an etymological root -- with the culturally offensive epithet, would convinced the outraged that offense was neither intended or present. The expectation remained among the offended (even after the word's meaning was explained to them) that the offending public figure should have altered his language around the possibility of offending.

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