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WHI-1192 | The Nation's Inheritance

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Some say that believers are "saved by grace but stay in by works." Throughout the history of this program we have rejected that view, arguing that we're actually saved by grace alone on account of the work of Christ alone. Here in the book of Joshua, however, there is a kind of "works" principle, tied not to individual salvation but rather to Israel's ability to stay in the land of promise. The nation's inheritance was pure gift. But in order to keep it, they must be holy. How can we understand this concept in light of Scripture's larger teaching? We will continue The Gospel According to Joshua in this edition of White Horse Inn by unpacking this crucial question.Some say that believers are "saved by grace but stay in by works." Throughout the history of this program we have rejected that view, arguing that we're actually saved by grace alone on account of the work of Christ alone. Here in the book of Joshua, however, there is a kind of "works" principle, tied not to individual salvation but rather to Israel's ability to stay in the land of promise. The nation's inheritance was pure gift. But in order to keep it, they must be holy. How can we understand this concept in light of Scripture's larger teaching? We will continue The Gospel According to Joshua in this edition of White Horse Inn by unpacking this crucial question.


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  • All I can say is I wish Michael Horton would study O Palmer Robertson's exceptional book Christ of the Covenants because he's a mess on this topic.

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  • Guest - Richard

    Christopher, read chapter 5 of Horton's Introducing Covenant Theology (God of Promise). There you'll find that he has studied Christ of the Covenants - as he interacts with it for a few pages.

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  • Guest - Susan Vader

    I have never met a Christian who denies that the incarnate God bestowed grace on undeserving man. He did it by becoming like us, but that also means that he made us like Himself. Grace therefore can only be a gift because it's impossible to wrench it from the hand of God.
    There is a sense in which "individual" is lost in "collective" and that is inside the church,so I agree to an extent. However,in scripture, judgement seems to be also particular. This quote is from Augustine:

    "For with respect to that which he (Victor] most correctly and very soundly holds, namely, that souls are judged when they depart from the body, before they come to that judgment which must be passed on them when reunited to the body and are tormented or glorified in that same flesh which they here inhabited — was that a matter of which you (Peter) were unaware? Who is so obstinate against the Gospel as not to perceive those things in the parable of that poor man carried after death to Abraham's bosom and of the rich man whose torments are set before us?" (De anima et ejus origine, 11, n.8.)

    In the Catholic liturgy of Mass right after we recite the prayer that Jesus gave us(The Lord's Prayer) we pray: "Lord,look not on our sins, but on the faith of your church" So it must be the case that Christianity is "both/and"

    http://www.integratedcatholiclife.org/2010/12/kreeft-twelve-ways-to-know-god/

    Kind Regards,
    Susan

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  • It will be interesting to see where the discussion goes. Whereas the Hebrews were to obey the whole law to stay in the land which God had given them, we are to bear fruit in order to remain connected to the vine (John 15). At the same time, we bear fruit by continuing our walk with Christ just as we came to believe in him. This is a difference between what we are called to do as Christians and what Hebrews were charged with

    So it will be interesting to see where the discussion goes.

    Finally, the reason why there is such an outcry for the practical over the abstract is in part due to how much our consumer culture has infringed on our faith in Christ.

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  • Its too bad the book didn't have a better impact on his learning, Richard. The whole "God went back and tried again" bent of his covenant theology when it comes to the Mosaic covenant feels like he's not gotten far enough away from dispensationalism.

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  • Guest - Richard

    All I'm going to say is that you've misread Horton. I'd love for you to show me examples of what you're talking about.

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  • I guess when I see him say the covenant with Israel was a straight covenant of works testing the nation, like with Adam, it looks a lot like God trying again.

    As opposed to part of a consistent, continual revelation as Robertson points out.

    There's a reason Rod doesn't have much to say in these sort of shows.

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