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WHI-1070 | Christianity & the New Liberalism

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Is Christianity primarily about what God is doing in your life right now, or what he did one afternoon two-thousand years ago? Is the idea of Jesus "in your heart" more important than Jesus "in the manger" or "on the cross"? Do you value your own personal experience of faith more than what God accomplishes externally through the proclamation of the gospel? In the not-too-distant past, theological liberals were the ones answering yes to questions like these, but increasingly American evangelicals are moving in this direction. On this program, the hosts discuss this troubling trend and offer some challenges to this "new liberalism" of our time (originally broadcast March 23, 2008).

Is Christianity primarily about what God is doing in your life right now, or what he did one afternoon two-thousand years ago? Is the idea of Jesus "in your heart" more important than Jesus "in the manger" or "on the cross"? Do you value your own personal experience of faith more than what God accomplishes externally through the proclamation of the gospel? In the not-too-distant past, theological liberals were the ones answering yes to questions like these, but increasingly American evangelicals are moving in this direction. On this program, the hosts discuss this troubling trend and offer some challenges to this "new liberalism" of our time (originally broadcast March 23, 2008).




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  • Apparently, the Charismatic movement still has appeal to those who allegedly left it behind: An Unexpected Twist--Tony Payne

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  • Guest - Denny

    Kindle version of Christianity & Liberalism is $.99 today (not sure if that is the normal price or a special sale).

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  • I am a chaplain's wife. I live in the middle of this debate! The Christian chaplaincy, like the rest of the American church, really struggles with this. I just sat cheering through this whole thing.

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  • Guest - Scott W. Spears

    Discuss this troubling trend and offer some challenges to this “new liberalism” of our time:

    The troubling trend is the subtle broadening of that focus on Jesus Christ in the worship place to include the Holy Spirit as being of that focus as well: even to the point of being the sole focus, especially when seeking a supernatural "visitation" or an "encounter" with the Holy Spirit after a sign.

    Now one would say: but that is not what this is about: but I would say: but how did these movements like the "holy laughter" movement come about in denomenations that were not Pentecostal nor Charismatics, but were Catholics and Protestant churches? Time for believers to use discernment.

    If a church service has hymnals addressing the Holy Spirit in worship, then by having that mindset when something occurs that steals that spotlight of orderly and decent worship to chaos and confusion, believers automatically assume that was the Holy Spirit. The 700 Club reported the "holy laughter" movment in 1994 as happening across the denomenation and being accepted as a "movement of the Spirit".

    If we look at the role of the Holy Spirit, He will not speak of Himself (John 16:13) so that as the Divine Witness, He is leading us to testify of the Son ( John 15:26-27) in seeking His glory (John 16:14) as the name of Jesus is above every other name as that is the mind of Christ we are to have(Philippians 2:5-11 ) & in fellowship (1 Corinthians 2:2).

    Colossians 3:16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

    Why did God allow these events of strong delusions to occur? Because we did not heed the standard of how the church shall be judged in serving Him in worship.

    John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    So when a church is honouring the Holy Spirit, guess what is happening? They are not honouring the Father. The will of God and what the indwelling Holy Spirit is leading us to do as confirmed by scripture in the King James Bible is to testify of the Son in honouring the Son in seeking His glory and thereby the glory of God the Father.

    The Nicene creed made a theological assumption that because the Holy Spirit is God, He is to be worshipped with the Father and the Son, but that is not the will of God and thus endangering the churches to a judgment of not honouring the Father by way of the Son.

    Why this narrow way in coming to God in relating to Him? Jesus is called the Bridegroom for that reason because there are other spirits in the world that would seek to come inbetween us and the Son: and that is why there are no invitations given out to come to the Holy Spirit, but to the Son. Luke 13:24 & Matthew 7:13-14 are warnings given out to those that are already believers that they are to keep that focus on the Son, Jesus Christ as being that door ( John 10:1,7-9 ) to avoid false spirits as well as false prophets.

    If revival can only be done by focussing on the Son, Jesus Christ, then as it applies to not sharing that focus with a believer's commitment nor a believer's promises in serving Him to avoid a false witness so that we are resting in His promises to us in living the christian life and thus living by faith in the Son of God in us: then we can see why the Holy Spirit is pointing us to the Son also so as to avoid false spirits in the world that would come inbetween us by stealing our focus from Jesus in worship and even misleading us to chase after them again for a sign.

    So look at where the testimony and the movement of the "Spirit" is pointing us to focus on: the believer or Jesus Christ? The Holy Spirit or the Son, Jesus Christ?

    One can't say we are keeping our eyes on the Son if that view is shared by something else. Indeed, we can only honour and glorify the Father by way of the Son.

    John 13:31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

    Jesus really meant what He had said about how we get to know the Father is by way of relating to the Son.

    John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    The one line of discernment we shall know of the Holy Spirit is by Him dwelling within us always: John 14:16-17 and thus any expereince of a spirit coming over a believer is not to be believed as being the Holy Spirit because our faith says He was already within us when we had first believed.

    Ephesians 1: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

    May we apply faith in Jesus Christ to help us to be true witnesses of Him in serving Him and nothing else in His name.

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