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Are You God's Redemptive Agent?

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This was recently sent to us from a White Horse Inn listener in the Seattle area:


I was flipping through radio stations on my way to work today and stopped for a moment on a Christian radio station and heard an advertisement for a Christian university with a concluding slogan that made me say out loud to myself "Wow! I can't beleive that!" The school's promise was that if I enrolled as a student I would be prepared to become "God's creative and redemptive agent in the world." I couldn't believe this incredible offer since it sounded like they were making me a promise to become a member of the Trinity. So I did some research and confirmed on the school's website that becoming "God’s Creative Agents" and "God’s Redemptive Agents" is in fact part of their vision for all students. Now, I don't actually beleive that the school meant to say that they will help mold their students into the Messiah, but I wanted to pass this on to you yet another example of the common confusion that we are called to be the gospel rather than being called preach the gospel.

- Micah Adamson avid White Horse Inn listener, enjoying hearing you talk about getting the gospel right and getting the gospel out in your focus on the great commission this year.


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  • Guest - Thomas Staunton

    My understanding of this issue runs as follows (its a stab not a complete answer).

    1) God (i.e. the trinity) creates all of existance.

    2) God makes mankind as his image bearers to care for his creation (includes being creative e.g. naming animals, art, developing technology etc.)

    3) Mankind rebels but still continues as the fallen curators of creation.

    4) The Father sends Jesus into the world to redeem creation and re-create it.

    5) Jesus calls his followers to be involved in his work of redemption and recreation. This is...

    a) Never seperate from Jesus, it is his work we are involved in.

    b) About our words, going and declaring that Jesus is redeeming creation.

    c) About our participation in his new creation, we are born again to be part of what humanity should always have been, stewards of all of creation. We are included into the New Man, the New Adam, Jesus Christ (we are in Him, part of His body).

    So we are redemptive and creative agents only in the sense that we are included in the New Man, Jesus, who is redeeming all of creation.

    Like I said, just a stab, I'm still thinking it through myself...

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  • Wow. That's as bemusing as the slogan for my local Christian talk radio station: "All Christian--All Talk" (Someone should've been fired for that one!

    But back to being the gospel, is there going to be a response to Frank Turk's open letter to Michael Horton? http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/01/open-letter-to-michael-horton.html

    Just wondering...

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  • Guest - Rachel

    Thomas- for your point number 5) Jesus calls his followers to be involved in his work of redemption and recreation.

    What scripture reference would you use to back up this point?

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  • Guest - Brian

    Shane - actually, they do believe they are molding their students into messiahs, check out their website.

    Did you contact them? What did they say?

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  • Guest - Theodore A. Jones

    Why is baptism in water a requirement in the process of becoming born again of God?
    There are many religious proposals asserting that if they are believed and followed the result is a union with God, a god or many gods, which are supposedly unseen beings of supernatural power.
    "No man hath seen God at any time." The main claim the Bible makes is that the god it describes as God is the only Living God. And it is only this God who has supernatural power for no other gods have any power whatsoever. "There are no other gods besides Me and you shall not have any other gods beside Me." Period. But devious sinful mankind, who is practically unalterably wicked because of being a natural descendent of Adam, has the devious idea that the Living God did not mean exactly what he said. And no matter what form God presents himself in, unseen, manifested in the flesh and even in one Word, devious wicked mankind always erroneously thinks he has the best ideas regardless of what the Living God says. There is nothing of greater contrast, absurdity and oxymoronic than this one term, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, to the naturally born human. Because the naturally born erroneously thinks he is a child of God, but the actual truth about him is "Ye are the children of your father the Devil" which is the curse of natural birth to both the Jew and Gentile alike.
    There are two things we all know from the Bible. But regardless of whether one accepts these things as being true it does not change these facts into not being true. The man, titled as the Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible, is God manifested in the flesh. The man, titled as the only Begotten Son of the Living God, has perfected the only Way any child of the Devil by natural birth can escape from that curse by his crucifixion. However the naturally born must have the faith to use, put into physical human practice, exactly what the Lord thy God says through the apostles to become redeemed from the curse of your physical natural birth. This has only produced another child of the Devil.
    In all of your cases there are actually four things you must have the faith to do in order to be redeemed from the curse of your natural birth.
    1. Lay aside every contemporary explanation of salvation which you have read, heard from any contemporary church's pulpit. The salvation doctrines of all theologians and whomever they have taught, and whoever positively pontificates in any form that what theologians teach about the Lord's Way of salvation is not falsehood. For their doctrines of salvation are specifically designed to keep you out of God's kingdom and t
    2. If you get over that hurdle, which I doubt many of you will, it is necessary to test what I teach. In other words you will have the faith to try what I teach to prove or disprove what I teach. If any of you sincerely obey my gospel one or more of the spiritual gifts listed by the apostles will be physically manifested in you proving what I teach is actually true. But the required confession must be your honest conviction or it is a lie.
    3. Hurdle three. Where the rubber meets the road and what every theologian and contemporary preacher hotly contests and must contest. But if you continue to believe what they contest and pontificate there is no hope of you escaping the curse of your natural birth. None. For this is the actual key you must have the faith to hope, trust in, and in sincerity use to escape from the consequence of your natural birth. For there is absolutely no other way of escaping the curse of natural birth and the curse of the law. For by Jesus' crucifixion a law has been added to the law. And you must have the faith to obey this law exactly as you have been commanded by the Lord thy God given through the apostles. Or willfully disobey a law of God which is not forgivable. Which is what Jesus meant by saying “they are now being forced in” by the law added to the law by and after his crucifixion?
    4. Hurdle four. Recanting your former ways of salvation and be baptized into the new testimony about Jesus' bloodshed. For without the shedding of His blood there is no remission of sin's penalty for any of the naturally born. But understand me clearly. The crucifixion of Jesus' has only perfected the Way you might escape from the curse of your natural birth and the law's penalty. But to escape both you must by faith, sight unseen, obey an actual law that has been entered into the law as an act of righteousness. That if correctly obeyed by any naturally born individual God will declare him righteous as he promises.
    "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."Rom. 2:13
    The only Way this law, the Law of the Spirit, can be obeyed is by making this confession directly to God sincerely meaning it in your heart and be baptized in water to receive the promise.
    "Oh God I am so truly and sincerely sorry your only begotten son Jesus' lost his life by bloodshed when he was crucified." There is no other way to escape.
    "I am not ashamed: for
    I know whom I have
    believed, and am
    persuaded that he is
    able to keep
    that confession
    which I have committed
    unto Him against
    that day.
    Theodore A. Jones


    Why is baptism in water a requirement in the process of becoming born again of God?
    There are many religious proposals asserting that if they are believed and followed the result is a union with God, a god or many gods, which are supposedly unseen beings of supernatural power.
    "No man hath seen God at any time." The main claim the Bible makes is that the god it describes as God is the only Living God. And it is only this God who has supernatural power for no other gods have any power whatsoever. "There are no other gods besides Me and you shall not have any other gods beside Me." Period. But devious sinful mankind, who is practically unalterably wicked because of being a natural descendent of Adam, has the devious idea that the Living God did not mean exactly what he said. And no matter what form God presents himself in, unseen, manifested in the flesh and even in one Word, devious wicked mankind always erroneously thinks he has the best ideas regardless of what the Living God says. There is nothing of greater contrast, absurdity and oxymoronic than this one term, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN, to the naturally born human. Because the naturally born erroneously thinks he is a child of God, but the actual truth about him is "Ye are the children of your father the Devil" which is the curse of natural birth to both the Jew and Gentile alike.
    There are two things we all know from the Bible. But regardless of whether one accepts these things as being true it does not change these facts into not being true. The man, titled as the Lord Jesus Christ in the Bible, is God manifested in the flesh. The man, titled as the only Begotten Son of the Living God, has perfected the only Way any child of the Devil by natural birth can escape from that curse by his crucifixion. However the naturally born must have the faith to use, put into physical human practice, exactly what the Lord thy God says through the apostles to become redeemed from the curse of your physical natural birth. This has only produced another child of the Devil.
    In all of your cases there are actually four things you must have the faith to do in order to be redeemed from the curse of your natural birth.
    1. Lay aside every contemporary explanation of salvation which you have read, heard from any contemporary church's pulpit. The salvation doctrines of all theologians and whomever they have taught, and whoever positively pontificates in any form that what theologians teach about the Lord's Way of salvation is not falsehood. For their doctrines of salvation are specifically designed to keep you out of God's kingdom and t
    2. If you get over that hurdle, which I doubt many of you will, it is necessary to test what I teach. In other words you will have the faith to try what I teach to prove or disprove what I teach. If any of you sincerely obey my gospel one or more of the spiritual gifts listed by the apostles will be physically manifested in you proving what I teach is actually true. But the required confession must be your honest conviction or it is a lie.
    3. Hurdle three. Where the rubber meets the road and what every theologian and contemporary preacher hotly contests and must contest. But if you continue to believe what they contest and pontificate there is no hope of you escaping the curse of your natural birth. None. For this is the actual key you must have the faith to hope, trust in, and in sincerity use to escape from the consequence of your natural birth. For there is absolutely no other way of escaping the curse of natural birth and the curse of the law. For by Jesus' crucifixion a law has been added to the law. And you must have the faith to obey this law exactly as you have been commanded by the Lord thy God given through the apostles. Or willfully disobey a law of God which is not forgivable. Which is what Jesus meant by saying “they are now being forced in” by the law added to the law by and after his crucifixion?
    4. Hurdle four. Recanting your former ways of salvation and be baptized into the new testimony about Jesus' bloodshed. For without the shedding of His blood there is no remission of sin's penalty for any of the naturally born. But understand me clearly. The crucifixion of Jesus' has only perfected the Way you might escape from the curse of your natural birth and the law's penalty. But to escape both you must by faith, sight unseen, obey an actual law that has been entered into the law as an act of righteousness. That if correctly obeyed by any naturally born individual God will declare him righteous as he promises.
    "It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."Rom. 2:13
    The only Way this law, the Law of the Spirit, can be obeyed is by making this confession directly to God sincerely meaning it in your heart and be baptized in water to receive the promise.
    "Oh God I am so truly and sincerely sorry your only begotten son Jesus' lost his life by bloodshed when he was crucified." There is no other way to escape.
    "I am not ashamed: for
    I know whom I have
    believed, and am
    persuaded that he is
    able to keep
    that confession
    which I have committed
    unto Him against
    that day.
    Theodore A. Jones

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