Angry Atheists Again
It’s a familiar story, but a recent Huffington Post article caught my attention. The author, a non-Christian physicist, expresses shock after posting an article on the age of the earth. Expecting a torrent of abuse from religious conservatives, he was surprised that it was the atheistic fundamentalists who piled on.
One of the biggest objections to religion is that there are so many competing truth claims. How can each claim to be right? Religious detractors argue that this is in sharp contrast to science, which is based on facts upon which any rational person can agree.
How do we handle this objection? First, it is important to point out that the number of truth claims on the market has nothing to do with whether which, if any of them, is true.
Take something as significant as belief in a transcendent creator. Cambridge mathematician and astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle noted, “A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.” In sharp contrast, biologist and passionate defender of atheism Richard Dawkins says, “The more you understand the significance of evolution, the more you are pushed away from the agnostic position and toward atheism.” These thinkers can hardly be distinguished by their scientific credentials. If anything, Hoyle contributed far more to applied science than has Dawkins so far. Both came to radically different conclusions based on their considerable study of nature.
Albert Einstein saw himself as more of a pantheist like Spinoza than an atheist like Marx or Nietzsche. “[T]he fanatical atheists,” he wrote to a friend, “are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle.” They are simply rebelling against their religious upbringing. Indeed, he added that although he didn’t believe in a personal God, “such belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook.” Following Spinoza, he was a strict determinist. He wrote to physicist Max Born,
You believe in a God who plays dice, and I in complete law and order in a world which objectively exists, and which I in a wildly speculative way, am trying to capture. I firmly believe, but I hope that someone will discover a more realistic way, or rather a more tangible basis than it has been my lot to find. Even the great initial success of the quantum theory does not make me believe in the fundamental dice game, although I am well aware that some of our younger colleagues interpret this as a consequence of senility.
Scientists disagree about all sorts of things: from matters as metaphysical as string theory to details over genetic mutation. In fact, as Michael Polanyi argued years ago, scientists belong to a concrete, historical community of interpretation. They too have lives, histories, and experiences within which they interpret reality.
We all remember the ill-fated pronouncements of the church in relation to Copernicus and Galileo, but it was scientists who made the biggest fuss at least initially over the new cosmology. Not unlike religious communities, the scientific community resists massive paradigm shifts. That’s good, because we’d be starting over every day if it were otherwise. It takes a lot of anomalies to overthrow a well-established paradigm. But it happens.
Of course, one reason that paradigm revolutions can occur is that there are rigorous standards for evaluating and testing theories. I would argue that this is what sets Christianity apart from other religions. It arose not out of a projection of felt needs, the charisma of a sage, or the profundity of its universal ideas, but as a historical claim with cosmic significance: the resurrection of Jesus. It was a paradigm revolution within the Jewish community that sparked momentous debate. Even greater was the shift that it provoked when it met the Greek world. The idea of God as personal—and three persons to boot; that the world is created out of nothing, as a free act by a good God, not to mention the incarnation of this God in history and his death and resurrection as redemption-bringing events, were completely revolutionary. One couldn’t really be a good Platonist by day and a Christian by night. A choice had to be made.
Even within religious communities there are major paradigm shifts. The Reformation is an example. Fresh exegesis turned up new evidence and shed new light on passages that had been misunderstood—even mistranslated in the Latin Vulgate. This doesn’t explain it all, of course, but it was a big part of it. The reformers didn’t set out to cause a revolution. They didn’t touch most of the Christian doctrines—affirming the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and other key teachings without alteration. However, they did cause many throughout Europe to rethink the meaning of the gospel. Pretty significant on its own merits.
At some point, we have to take responsibility. We can’t just dismiss the search with Pilate’s shrug, “What is truth?”
At a conference a number of years ago, I was on a panel with Bill Nye (as in “The Science Guy”). Like a modern-day David Hume, he made general arguments about religious claims as equivalent to fairy tales that evolve over time with each telling. I agreed with some of his assertions about religion in general, but asked him to evaluate specific claims for Christ’s resurrection. Going through these claims, one by one, he became increasingly impatient. Finally, without addressing even one of the arguments, he dismissed the whole thing with a single brush, returning to his opening assertions.
Christianity has been in the business of offering arguments and evidence from the beginning. The Hebrew prophets mock the idols of the nations because they cannot speak and cannot make good on their promises in history. The God of Israel has done so in Jesus Christ and “has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead” (Acts 17:31).
Of course, none of us is neutral. We all come to the evidence with big assumptions about reality. The Holy Spirit alone can bring conversion, but he does so through his Word. And he also uses supporting arguments and evidence that reveal too many devastating anomalies—indeed contradictions—that our reigning worldview can’t accommodate. One thing is for certain: to say that miracles do not happen because they cannot happen is as vicious a circle as any argument can be. In fact, it’s not an argument at all, but mere assertion. Isaac Asimov said, “Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time.” Insert “believer” and change “doesn’t exist” to “does exist” and there is nothing expressed here that the Dawkinses of the world wouldn’t leap upon as evidence of blind faith.
Hoyle concludes, seemingly against his personal inclinations, that the evidence requires a transcendent creator, while Dawkins’ conclusion couldn’t be more antithetical. No less than religious ones, scientific claims about ultimate reality are driven by deeper worldview assumptions. But the sheer fact that there are competing claims doesn’t settle anything. Whether or not we take the time to investigate those claims on their own terms is a decision that closed minds on both sides of the debate will have to consider seriously if the search for truth is of any significance to being human.


February 20th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Dear Dr. Horton,
I appreciated your article. I always find it fascinating that athiests often fall to ad hominum attacks when confronted by logical debate. I did want to mention, though that you might want to re-evaluate your statement about the church and Copernicus. Here is an excellent post (which I just came across today) which does a great job bringing the facts about Copernicus and the church to light. I don’t think we should give into the misconception that the church was antagonistic to Copernicus. In other studies, I’ve read the main opposition to Copernicus were other scientists who didn’t want to let go of the Ptolemy view of the universe.
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/copernicus-and-the-lutherans/
Rev Bill Sabol
Pastor
Trinity Lutheran Church (LC-MS)
Jasper, MN
February 20th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Isaac Asimov was implying the Burden of Proof and the null hypothesis, the comfort they yield to a position of nonbelief.
When you make a claim, the null hypothesis is to disbelieve that claim until sufficient evidence is presented to believe it.
It acts as a filtration system in order to believe as few false things as possible. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. It isn’t up to every person to have evidence to disprove every claim. Otherwise we would have scores of things we’d need to accept as plausible just because someone could utter the childish phrase “you can’t prove me wrong!”
With the null hypothesis in place, Isaac’s disbelief is justified.
Inserting “believer” and changing “doesn’t exist” to “does exist” would change Isaac’s quote fundamentally into a positive belief rather than a position of being unconvinced. He would then need to justify that claim and if it was merely because he felt good about it, atheists would rightly point out that this was a faith based position.
This is the same reason why in a court of law we vote Guilty or Not Guilty. We do not turn in a verdict of “innocent”
It’s the reason why you do not believe in bigfoot and can feel comfortable not believing in him. You are justified in not believing in bigfoot.
No amount of testimonial anecdotal evidence is sufficient to justify belief in impossible things. We have plenty of more recent testimony from alien abductions; groups of people, families and couples who all claim to have met aliens.
Given the physical laws we understand and given the scale of the universe, extraterrestrial aliens are very plausible but we still can’t believe these testimonies because the events they describe violate everything we experience. They are far too extraordinary.
It would be gullible to believe alien abductees.
Any god worth his salt would clearly know that 2nd and 3rd hand testimony, many years after the fact, is not sufficient evidence to warrant belief in things which violate everything we understand. If that’s really all he has as evidence then he wants gullible followers.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Isaac, what is the basis of your assertion that the resurrection is based on 2nd or 3rd hand testimony yeaes after the fact? The definition of apostolic witness is first hand testimony. Why didn’t the Jews furnish a body and what is the what is the motive of the apostles?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
>Any god worth his salt would clearly know that 2nd and 3rd hand testimony, many years after the fact, is not sufficient evidence to warrant belief in things which violate everything we understand. If that’s really all he has as evidence then he wants gullible followers.
Spirit speaks to spirit. No one can argue you into the faith. All Christians can do is put out the call that is potentially effectual in you. That would be proclaiming the word of God. Like me reciting to you Romans 13:11, Now it is high time to awake out of sleep. (That doesn’t refer to head-on-pillow-sleep.)
February 20th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
*Norm, not Isaac.
C. Trace, I would disagree with your approach, while affirming the doctrine of effectual calling and the internal witness of the Spirit. The Spirit enables us to embrace the message of the cross, even those evidences the apostles at times preached (such as in Acts 4:20). Furthermore, when all of our rational arguements are silenced, then the fact that we are simply unwilling to have Christ to reign over us is unconvered. So apologetics can serve the function of the law.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Burden-of-proof is a dubious benefit atheists often claim for themselves because it gives them unwarranted psychological advantage.
A more honest and equitable form of debate sets aside the problem of God’s existence per se and focuses on the mutually exclusive claims of theism and atheism with regard to the origin of the universe.
Theists claim that the existence of the universe must be explained on the basis of a transcendent principle. Atheists claim that the existence of the universe can be explained sufficiently on the basis of a principle or principles inherent within it.
Neither thesis is self-evident. Therefore both require argument, i.e., bear the burden-of-proof.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
The only absolute I presented is the need for the Spirit and proclaimed word (though the Spirit can work alone as well).
February 20th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
To honestly debate you need to at least understand your opponents position.
Atheists don’t necessarily claim that the existence of the universe can be explained sufficiently on the basis of principles inherent within it.
To not believe in god you don’t need to claim any positive knowledge.
Atheists aren’t philosophical naturalists.
Every atheist I’ve known would admit that we know very little about the universe and they are open to any possibility that we can discover. They are simply unconvinced by deity claims as unsupported by evidence.
Only the theist position is making an extra claim beyond our understanding.
If you shift the burden of proof to force them to try and falsify an unfalsifiable position and declare victory, you haven’t actually confronted them.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Hey Norm, when you say that the claim for deity leaves atheists unconvinced as it is ‘unsupported by evidence’, what kind of evidence were you after? If you mean scientific evidence then that is binding the evidence to physical data. I mean that if you are looking to science which observes (descriptive, not prescriptive) physical phenomena to prove the existence of a being who be definition defies physical parameters then you are narrowing the search somewhat… To say that all that is real in the physical sense is all that there is a metaphysical claim, is it not?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
The debate between Norm and Thomas on Asimov’s burden-of-proof arises from a semantic imbroglio. The term “atheism” is ill-defined and encompasses a range of differing worldviews. Arguments that proceed without addressing this issue will likely become mired in confusion.
The atheism of Thomas’ argument asserts that “no god exists” and could be variously classified as positive, strong, hard, explicit atheism. In practice, while often conceding that one cannot disprove god (to the point where some such atheists will actually call themselves agnostic), the key feature of this atheism is the contention that there is *very likely* no god, usually on the basis that such a belief (often owing to modern scientific advancement) is unnecessary or even irrational. This is arguably the more vocal and representative atheism of contemporary debate, the atheism of Russell and more recently Dawkins.
The atheism of Norm’s argument, while not believing in any god, does not actively assert that “no god exists” on the basis of there being insufficient evidence for one to decide in either direction with any satisfactory degree of confidence. This negative, weak, soft or implicit atheism could also be classified as agnostic atheism and a subset of agnosticism.
The burden-of-proof argument should apply to any explicit/positive assertion, whether theist or atheist.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Norm,
While I agree with the distinction Singularity24601 makes, I think perhaps the following comments might apply to both types of atheism.
The position of the atheist is precisely what is at issue here. The common opinion, which you represent, seeks to alleviate the atheist of the burden of giving a coherent account of his own worldview by defining his position as sheer skepticism. I am suggesting, on the contrary, that the atheist be held accountable for the coherency of his total worldview beyond his rejection of theism, and especially in light of the philosophical problems that rejection entails. The atheist who accepts this equitable responsibility is, in my view, a coherent atheist – at least in intention.
The coherent atheist, that is the one who believes in the existence of a universe at all, be that the corporeal universe, the quantum universe, the idealist universe, the materialist universe, etc., must believe in an imminent cause or causes of the existence of his universe. The alternative is necessarily supernaturalism, literally.
I also disagree that theism is un-falsifiable. All it would take is the discovery and demonstration of a sufficient immanent cause or causes of the existence of the universe. And this would then form the basis for a fully coherent atheism, most likely of the philosophical naturalist kind.
Finally, the terms of the debate I am asking for are perfectly consonant with the best metaphysical arguments for the existence of God coming out of the Christian tradition, namely, inferences drawn from the nature and existence of the universe.
February 21st, 2013 at 6:29 am
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February 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Great comments, singularity and Thomas! I agree with you both. I think Thomas hits the nail on the head with ‘suggesting… that atheists be held accountable for the coherency of their total worldview’. To do otherwise while demanding that of theists is simply hypocrisy. In the end both sides (atheism and theism) need to recognize that neither of their positions is logically provable at the current time, but both are philosophically plausible positions with rational arguments for and against. When one side dismisses the other as irrational or stupid, it usually means they have not properly understood the arguments.
February 21st, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Good stuff here, Dr. Horton! Keep it up (I know you will) and thanks…
February 23rd, 2013 at 8:11 am
Thomas, if I understand you correctly, someone who possesses a “worldview by defining his position as sheer skepticism” would be effectively an agnostic, correct? In contrast, a “coherent atheist” is someone who has “skin in the game”–i.e. they make an actual truth-claim: “there is no God”.
Roughly: “there is a God” – theism
“this is no God” – atheism
“not enough information to make a claim” – agnosticism
Is that right?
Singularity, I’m intrigued by your statement “agnostic atheism and a subset of agnosticism”. Do you have a reference or two that helps unpack the category of agnosticism. (I didn’t realize it was complex enough a category to have subsets).
Very interesting thread! Thank you all and Dr. Horton as well.
I wish I could see a video of the Bill Nye/Horton debate. Alas, Googling turned up no hits for me.
February 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am
Excellent article. There is a modern confusion about science based on ignorance of the field, and that confusion is that there is some kind of official final scientific word on any topic. There is no “science pope” who has the final, official say. Scientists debate and discuss nearly every subject, with at least slight disagreements on most topics. The very nature of science means every topic is always up to debate, because the purpose is to learn, study, and understand.
It is when people become dogmatic and insistent on one proclamation or declaration that the worst science is done, whatever the topic.
February 23rd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
When defending the faith once delivered to the saints in the arena of assertive naturalism–as with all other idolatries–the reformed Christian is best served by hewing to sola Scriptura in the light of his confession. This plays out variously dependent on the audience, but he must ever be conscious of the non-negotiables, ready to not only defend them but press them to the confounding of the opposition.
Among these, the Christian debater must never loosen his hold on the doctrine of sin. While he is right to employ classical rational argument, he will not be discouraged to see it rejected by an opponent who simply does not wish the argument to be true. One weak link in the classical deistic proofs was their Aristotelian assumption of universal pure rationality on the part of hearers. Under that assumption, multiplicity of evidence should be sufficient to convince anyone to acknowledge truth–but the formula “Did God really say?” has been echoed since Act I, Scene III of our story, and the Lord of truth warns “If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.”
Of course forensic rules in the public debate format preclude declaring one’s opponent a sinner who should not be listened to! But what one can and must do–hewing to his confession–is press every instance of inconsistency of argument–and they are legion. This could mean the presuppositionalist Transcendental Argument of Greg Bahnsen, delivered so flawlessly and movingly againt Gordon Stein in 1985 (the only flaw of that memorable evening being the cluelessness of Stein’s self-implosion; one wonders how much further Bahnsen would have gone against a more astute opponent.)
But not all–hopefully not most–defenses of the faith occur in public debate. The evangelist or pastor–or parent–is quite free to level all of his weapons at his hearers, and call them to acknowledge that God is true even if every man is a liar, that regardless of what they say the Scripture declares them in possession of sufficient knowledge of God to lack any excuse, and to bow the knee before him through repentant faith in his Son. Schaeffer pressed this point so repeatedly and so fervently, that all–even every Asimov, Hitchens, Dawkins and Nye–are inescapably aware of not only the existence of the God they deny, but of their guilt in so denying him, “for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.”
Let us not shrink back from finding ways to faithfully apply all the riches of the Word as we proclaim the gospel of Christ to our particular adulterous generation. When the church has sometimes failed to do so, it has never been due to hewing closely to the Word, but rather from a lack of confidence to do so.
February 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Very well written, Dr. Horton.
You made your point, and you made it well.
“But the sheer fact that there are competing claims doesn’t settle anything.
Thanks for the tidbit,
Chris Jager
Tillamook, OR
February 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 pm
I think the search for truth has much to do with being human, don’t you all?
Chris Jager,
Tillamook, OR
February 24th, 2013 at 1:34 am
Chris,
The search for truth is one among several attributes of the species which both distinguishes it from all others and poses severe problems for those who maintain a materialist cosmology; their system allows no metaphysical reality, yet their press of that “truth claim” against non-materialists is itself completely metaphysical! The moment I move my vocal cords–or fingers–in such a way that your brain registers the thought “He just said that the universe comprises nothing more than permutations of a great deal of mass and energy over a great span of time”, I have denied my own proposition by attempting to persuade you to think a certain way–as if one aggregation of quanta could have a reason for altering a different aggregation!
The search for truth, however, is also poorly handled by what is doubtless a far larger group than the strict materialists. Much of the West, which once would have at least paid homage–even in the absence of thorough conviction–to certain Scriptural absolutes, is now quite happy to use the phrase in a markedly inferior way to their cultural forbears. The earlier formula “because in Jesus Christ we have received the most essential truth, we may now confidently ferret out truth claims about much else over which he is Lord, for his glory and the good of our neighbors, and always subject to his own revealed will” has devolved to something like “I’m going to search for truth as long as it takes to make me happy–and nobody, not even God, can ever tell me I’m wrong!”
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, to whom all authority in heaven and earth has been given, and he is glorified in all true science. If, say, the Higgs boson is isolated, it will be because he both created it along with everything else and purposed its discovery. He has no quarrel with scientists doing their proper work of discovery, description, and application; all will turn out to hinge rather on their–and our–response to him, and he has not left himself without witness.
February 24th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Paul,
Nature may darken the intellect, but sin perverts the will. To do justice to the old scholastics, Aquinas believed in the power of the mind to attain to truth (a fact which makes him very different from us moderns), but he also had a very realistic awareness of the limitations of pure reason in the lives of real people. Those limitations can be physiological, environmental, educational, moral, as well as intrinsic to the disordered relation between the intellect and the imagination due to sin. Bonaventure believed all these things too, but with more Augustinian pessimism.
But let’s be clear, we are not talking about the proclamation of the Gospel. Preaching is a rhetorical art and a divine summons. Argument is proper to a very different mode of discourse. When we argue we search for the truth and discover it by our own natural powers. We must trust reason. We must trust our intellect. We must presume the reasonableness of our opponents. Regeneration no more guarantees that we have open minds and critical thinking skills than reprobation necessitates that our opponents do not.
February 24th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Neal,
Yes. Skin in the game. Great expression. But it’s not the claim that God does not exist (which many deny making) that ought to garner our immediate attention and remain the focus of sustained criticism. It is everything else, be it cosmology, epistemology, morality, etc. My point was focused on cosmogony: There may be no god. But there is a universe. How do we account for that? Is it coherent to claim that the universe is all that there is? This is neither self-evident nor deserving of unquestioning acceptance.
Perhaps they will surprise us, even – God forbid – devastate us with a coherent answer. But too often we are never given the opportunity to hear those answers because we tacitly consent to a one-sided debate.
February 24th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Thomas,
While I agree with your final sentence as a tactical reality, your three preceding “musts” are variously subject to the sin-enhanced limitations you listed above and thus not universally applicable, requiring a complement to your assertion that we “discover [truth] by our own natural powers”: the certainty of those discoveries is necessarily dependent upon their submission to the realities of the existence and revelation of the eternal, personal God of the Scriptures.