WHI-Bonus | Heaven & Hell
Are heaven and hell subjective states of mind or real objective places? That’s the focus of this special BONUS edition of the White Horse Inn as the hosts talk with Kevin DeYoung, author of The Good News We Almost Forgot, and What is the Mission of the Church? The interview primarily centers on Kevin’s recent review of the controversial new release, Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived by Rob Bell.
UPDATE: Given the renewed controversy over heaven and hell, Zondervan has given us permission to give away “The Last Battle and Life Everlasting” (chapter 29 from Michael Horton’s new book, The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way). Feel free to download this PDF and forward! For more information about this new release visit Barnes & Noble and Amazon.com.
The Last Battle & The Life Everlasting
Michael Horton
Bell’s Hell: A Review by Michael Horton
Michael Horton
God is Still Holy
Kevin DeYoung (offsite)
Hell: The Very Idea of It
Michael Horton
Heaven Came Down
Michael Horton
What is the Mission of the Church?
Kevin DeYoung & Greg Gilbert (forthcoming from Crossway)
Why We’re Not Emergent
Kevin DeYoung & Ted Kluck
The Good News We Almost Forgot
Kevin DeYoung
The Christian Faith
Michael Horton
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March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Thanks so much for this discussion. Besides the discussion of “Love Wins”, it was also good for me to hear the distinction between the great commandment and the great commission. It is easy to lose sight of that.
I’m so glad that God wins, in all of who He is: loving, holy, compassionate, just, merciful, etc., etc.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
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March 16th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Martin Bashir does the yeoman’s work , holding Bell’s feet to the fire, in this interview with Rob Bell on his book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA
cheers,
J & B
March 17th, 2011 at 8:12 am
“It is not saving faith to confess Christ as true. Saving faith also receives Christ as a Treasure.”
Piper says this often. I am interested in how this goes with the faith alone emphasis of the white horse inn. myself, i have difficulty seeing christ as treasure often and it can feel like a work.
March 17th, 2011 at 9:56 am
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March 18th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Sandra,
I think John Piper’s point is that faith is not only assent, but trust. The key here is to focus on the OBJECT–namely, Christ. We all need regularly to hear how and why Christ is our treasure. And in word and sacrament he GIVES himself to us as our treasure. It’s not our grasp of the treasure, but the treasure itself–or Himself–that saves.
March 18th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
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March 18th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
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March 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
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March 19th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Neither “going to heaven” nor “going to Hell” are scriptural – “Hell” being a an archaic word for hADES, the dreary underworld, and the scriptural hope being to live forever in the promised land in the middle east.
March 19th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Wounded Ego
Heaven and hell are not scriptural??? Seriously??
Revelation 21:2 “And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Matthew 25:41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!
March 20th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Tome, the most distressing thing about Pastor Bell’s book isn’t its content. The worst thing about it is that he has a great huge church full of people who will do nothing at all because of the book. They will continue to come and even if they have doubts about their pastor’s theology, they will refuse to leave because of 1. the kids, 2. what does it matter what the pastor says in a book, 3. he could be right and that’s too heavy for me anyhow, or 4. any other excuse. They are comfortable, they’ve got a hip pastor, they can invite their friends to a hip church.
It’s the believers, the church-goers that are as much at fault if not more, for not just allowing heresy, but applauding it.
March 21st, 2011 at 11:34 am
Steve, in the passage you cite, do the saints “go to heaven” or does the kingdom come to earth?
And where do the scriptures equate the lake of fire (Gehenna) with a place called “Hell”?
March 22nd, 2011 at 6:29 am
I think the central claims of the book (some kind of post-mortem offer of redemption, heaven and hell as two sides of the same experience) are wrong or at best unattested to by scripture.
However it seems to me that some of the critiques have jumped at particular phrases he has used without actually tackling the core issues and in doing so have unintentionally condemned views that orthodox christians have held at one point or another. See his ‘select few’ phrase, which as this poster points out can be – and has been – interpreted in different ways:
http://shoredfragments.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/rob-bell-love-wins-2/
Far better to simply defend faith in Christ as the only path to redemption.
September 12th, 2011 at 1:47 am
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January 13th, 2012 at 12:59 am
The book is masterfully written to engage the reader with serious questions and help folks wrestle with real issues. It is not a new highly developed theological stance or a break from Bell’s core convictions. However, it is a far different point of view on the bible and Christianity than the one painted by most evangelical Christians today.