Burning Books or Proclaiming Christ
UPDATE – Go here to see Michael Horton’s update regarding this post.
To mark the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, The Rev. Terry Jones is planning an “International Burn the Qur’an Day” at his 50-member Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida. Yesterday Gen. David H. Petraeus warned that if a Florida church goes through with its plan to burn copies of the Qur’an this weekend, it could “endanger troops” and set back the U. S. war effort in Afghanistan. Beyond Afghanistan, it could spark protests and violence around the world (David Nakamura, Washington Post on-line, Sept 7, 2010). On Monday, 500 protesters at a Kabul mosque burned an effigy of Mr. Jones.
There is a long history of burning books when you don’t want to actually deal with the ideas that they promote. When the medieval church sponsored public bonfires of the Reformers’ writings, raw power seemed more convenient than reasoned argument. It’s an act of desperation. In other times and places, a call for Qur’an-burning would be dismissed as a crank’s irresponsible exercise of free speech, but in the present context, Jones has received more attention than perhaps even he could have imagined. To their credit, evangelical organizations—like the World Evangelical Fellowship and the National Association of Evangelicals—have been as vocal in opposing this incendiary event as liberal religious groups.
Especially given the timing of the event, NAE President Leith Anderson says that Terry Jones and his handful of supporters are engaging in “revenge” rather than the loving witness that Scripture teaches (citing 1 Thes 5:15). According to Mr Jones, however, “We only did it because we felt there needed to be an outcry against Islam, because Islam is presenting itself as a religion of peace” (The Christian Post on-line, July 30, 2010). Evidently, Mr. Jones believes that the best way of making the point that Islam is not a religion of peace is with a public burning of its primary text. I have not read his book released apparently for the occasion: Islam is of the Devil. Nor do I intend to do so (life is short). However, summaries point out that the author somehow sees American tolerance of Islam as the root of the nation’s social and moral evils. Another irony: on the Dove Center website, the seventh of Mr. Jones’ reasons for such book-burning is that “Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights.”
In spite of the widespread Christian condemnation of the proposed action, this is not an isolated case. John Hagee leads a San Antonio, Texas, megachurch with a telecast that reaches 99 million homes around the world each week. His central message in books, sermons, and broadcasts is Christian Zionism—which includes a call for a pre-emptive strike of Iran by Israel. Although such voices are on the fringes of what used to be a more mainstream movement within evangelicalism, the basic paradigm (namely, radical dispensationalism) is held by millions of Christians in the U.S.. Besides the fact that Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth was the best-seller of the 1970s and the Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins led the best-seller list for the 1990s, this popular end-times theology has played an influential role in foreign policy from Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush.
I do not doubt that many Christians who hold to these radical scenarios would denounce the incendiary proposals of Terry Jones and others. However, at a moment like this it is worth reminding ourselves what we believe and why we believe it. After all, as Christians our first question is not whether Qur’an-burning will set back war efforts in Afghanistan, but whether it is consistent with Christian neighbor-love and will set back efforts to reach Muslim neighbors with the Good News.
On one end are those who react by invoking religious pluralism. At least when it comes to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, we are talking about the “Abrahamic faith traditions,” after all. We are all children of Abraham and should stop killing each other. As simple as this sounds, it is a position that no Christian can hold. The prophets—all the way to John the Baptist—announced that the true children of Abraham are all who trust in the coming Messiah. Jesus Christ made himself the focal point for the inheritance of everlasting life, replacing the Temple by forgiving sins directly in his person, proclaiming himself Lord of the Sabbath, welcoming the outcasts, and offering himself in death and resurrection for the life of all who embrace him. Paul, who had persecuted the church, was now the Apostle to the Gentiles and argued—just as Jesus had—that all who are united to Christ by faith are children of Abraham. The distinction between Jew and Gentile is abolished in the “new creation” that is Christ with his body. Faith, not law; justification in Christ, not physical descent or obedience to Torah, is the only way to become a child of Abraham—more than that, a child of God. By the way, this means that nominal Christians are no more children of Abraham than anyone else. There is only one way into the family: faith in Jesus Christ.
This means, of course, that all rival prophets, priests, and kings are pretenders. Judaism and Islam—as well as heretical forms of Christianity—reject the central claims of the gospel. Israel may be an ally of the U.S. whom we are obligated by moral and political ties to support as citizens. However, Israel is not holy land and no longer has any eschatological significance in the history of redemption. Where the Temple Mount once stood in redemptive history, Jesus now stands, calling, “Come to me all you who are weary and heavy-laden and I will give you rest.”
As citizens of democratic nations, Christians may be concerned about the implications of Qur’an-burning for international peace and justice. However, as citizens of the kingdom of Christ, they have even more reason to denounce such actions. Recall James and John—the “sons of thunder”—asking Jesus if they could call fire down from heaven on a Samaritan village that rejected their message. We read that Jesus rebuked them.
This is not the era of driving out the nations from God’s holy land, for the church is the only holy land and Christ is its living Temple. This is the era of enduring persecution, not for provoking or participating in it. In the Book of Revelation we read that it was not the martyr’s protests or book-burnings, but “the word of their testimony” and their witness to the Lamb that conquered the Beast.
Along with other religious distortions and denials of the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Islam belongs to that vast complex that makes up the Beast of the last days. Yet there are also “Christian” ways of looking away from Christ and attaching ourselves to the powers and principalities that array themselves against the Lord and his Messiah. Muslims need to encounter the power of faith in Christ that bears the fruit of hope and love. They need to hear the gospel and its central claims with gentleness and respect. Believers in Christ too are those who have been delivered from the power of sin and death and are not yet perfect in their understanding or actions. Christians are called to love Muslim neighbors simply because they are created in the image of God. Yet they are also called to proclaim the gospel and to explain and defend it, albeit with gentleness and respect.
As responsible citizens, we cannot help but be concerned about the political ramifications of Islam—especially since Islam is a geo-political as well as religious movement. Yet as citizens of Christ’s kingdom, we must resist the temptation to confuse U. S. interests with the goals of the City of God. Furthermore, we should recall the myriad ways in which Christianity confused these two kingdoms in its history—not only in medieval Christendom, but in the “God-and-Country” confusion that we see all around us today on the left and the right.
Muslims are our neighbors and regardless of what their religion encourages, our scriptures call us to imitate our Father who sends sunshine and rain on the just and the unjust alike. It is an era of common grace, a space in history for calling all people everywhere to repentance and faith in Christ. Our children play regularly with Muslim neighbors and sometimes the topic of religion comes up in conversation. It is interesting to overhear the interaction. On occasion, the oldest boy will ask me questions about Jesus and why we believe that he rose from the dead. I cannot imagine that the burning of the Qur’an this coming Saturday will help move that discussion along.


September 8th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
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September 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Thank you Mike for reminding me that all things must come under scrutiny of the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
There are times, as an American, that I grow very tired of our leaders bending over backwards to make nice with the folks that hate me and would kill all those I love with no remorse. I also am very weary of praying for our Arab brethren that often suffer under the supposed “religion of peace” as we often hear it called.
All this aside, you are correct; we are called to proclaim Jesus as the One, and only one that has truly submitted to God – even submission to the burning of His holy soul (John 19:28)!
September 8th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
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September 8th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
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September 9th, 2010 at 12:02 am
[...] So far I’m with the Reformed professor. However, it’s with some of the following that I find objectionable: On one end are those who react by invoking religious pluralism. At least when it comes to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, we are talking about the “Abrahamic faith traditions,” after all. We are all children of Abraham and should stop killing each other. As simple as this sounds, it is a position that no Christian can hold. The prophets—all the way to John the Baptist—announced that the true children of Abraham are all who trust in the coming Messiah. Jesus Christ made himself the focal point for the inheritance of everlasting life, replacing the Temple by forgiving sins directly in his person, proclaiming himself Lord of the Sabbath, welcoming the outcasts, and offering himself in death and resurrection for the life of all who embrace him. Paul, who had persecuted the church, was now the Apostle to the Gentiles and argued—just as Jesus had—that all who are united to Christ by faith are children of Abraham. The distinction between Jew and Gentile is abolished in the “new creation” that is Christ with his body. Faith, not law; justification in Christ, not physical descent or obedience to Torah, is the only way to become a child of Abraham—more than that, a child of God…. There is only one way into the family: faith in Jesus Christ. (bold added, read original post here) [...]
September 9th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Why are so many Heads of States, Governors and even Hillary Clinton so concerned about some ” Preacher” with 50 followers? That is the question every person should be asking?
Why are these ” supposed” “” Leaders”" totally silent when it comes to the Muslim’s not only burning the Bible but not even allowing travelers in many Muslim country a Bible or any Christian cross , rosary etc etc. ..
Why are we so sensitive to the needs of Islam when in fact Islam shows not only no sensitivity towards Christians and the Jewish people but a downright hatred towards them and declaring a Holy War against the West.
The West better wake up quickly, Islam is coming and our supposed ” leaders” are and have allowed this Trojan Horse to gain a considerable stronghold in many Western nations.
I think its time in the spirit of diversity and sensitivity that countries such as Saudi Arabia allow Christian and Catholics Church to be constructed and to allow conversions to Jesus Christ. This would be an ideal cause for Hillary Clinton- don’t you agree?
September 9th, 2010 at 9:49 am
No, it is not OK for Christians to burn Qur’ans any more so than it’s OK for Muslims to burn Bibles. Islam is not a peaceful religion and it’s spread in America must be stopped in order to preserve our culture but burning the book they call holy is not OK.
September 9th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Is the question is it “all right” legally, socially or morally?
Legally you can burn anything that’s your own property within the bounds of public safety.
Socially depends on your circle. I have no trouble burning a koran or a bible or a torah or a volume of mao’s red book or aesop’s fables or mother goose. My neighbor might look at it as an affront so it really depends upon my concern for my relationship with him.
Morally, if you don’t accept allah as a religious figure, burning the koran is no more significant than tossing out the sunday paper want ads.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:00 am
“However, Israel is not holy land and no longer has any eschatological significance in the history of redemption.” How can this author say that Israel is not holy land? You would have to say that God is not the same yesterday today and forever as He says that He is. For the name ISRAEL is written on His hand! He said that the moon and the waves upon the ocean would stop before He would stop seeing Israel as His Holy land. What book is Mr. Horton reading? it cannot be the Bible, unless he reads only a New Testament. Burning books is not my cup of tea or the way in which I believe one should witness to a muslim, but the choices they give me to convert or die are not in anyway fair. Burning a book that does not even belong to an individual muslim or Christian would not be an act of violence. I do not believe Mr. Jones has the intention of grabbing personal copies from muslims to burn them. But Christians won’t have that freedom in the end when they face muslim aggressions. On 9/11 I am sure muslims and Christians would have gladly burned their Holy books rather than to die. Mr. Horton is entirely off course. Jesus is Lord, even Paul said that some needed witnessing as though they had to be snatched from a fire. Wake UP!
September 9th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I would remind you that the early Christians burned the books they had of the religions they were a part of before becoming Christians.
I think that this would have been abhorent to those who still belived in those religions and posible incited some violent behavior. The disciples and apostles did encounter violent opposition to their preaching of the gospel.
If we are to behave in such a way as to not offend Muslims because they may become violent then we would have to stop preaching the gospel completely and covert to Islam.
Mr. Jones makes a good point in that he is showing Muslims will react violently and removing the cloak of “peaceful religion” from Islam. Given the above mentioned riots he has already made the point.
The Quran says that Christians and Jews are dogs and should be hunted down and killed where ever they are found. Not a peaceful religion.
Since it is obvious that Islam is not a peaceful religion, it is necessary to say that it is to perpetuate the lie.
It is in harmony with Isalm to kill unbelievers. It is not in harmony with the teachings of Christ to kill unbelievers.
Muslim who are not using violence are also involved in Jihad. Jihad is fighting to make Islam prevail by any means. Peaceful means can also be used. Make no mistake Muslims who are peaceful use this as a means to destory us and are involved in Jihad just as the terrorists are. Both are after the same goal. All Muslims, according to the Quran, must be involved in Jihad whether they use violence or not.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:11 am
It is true that we are to look at all items through the eyes of the Gospel. We are to love our enemy and be concerned for his salvation. But we must win the war that our enemies start.
All cowardly terrorist attacks around the world are by Muslims. Our country was attacked by cowardly Muslims.
If they burn our bible or kill our fellow Christians do we riot around the world. Therefore if we burn their qur’an does that give them the right to riot around the world. It does not.
We are involved in a war. They want to kill you. We must win and trust our Jesus to help us defeat them. The political correctness in this country is not pleasing to Jesus. We are to call the things around us by what they really are. Sin is sin even if it displease those that are sinning.
The Muslim faith will not assimilate into any society. If burning the Qur’an causes them to riot then it is good for the world to see who they really are. We are not to live with but we are to rise above through our faith in Jesus.
This is the third Jihad. We have beat them twice and we may have to beat them again. They can choose to live in peace with all, including those that burn the Qur’an, or they can fight us. That is their choice, but my Jesus will be victorious. Jesus said that if you do not have a sword than you should sell your coat and buy one.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Islam is NOT and never was a relegion of peace, We must not get too close to this murdering group, however a little respect is in order here. Burning what the moslems hold sacred is way outside the boundry of Love in Jesus Christ. We must both love and protect ourselves from them!
September 9th, 2010 at 10:18 am
The burning of a Koran is not more obnoxious than the military burning BIBLES in Afgahistan “to protect their citizens from become apostates that would result in their execution” (or words to that effect. I believe burning a Koran would pollute the atomoswphere, it would be far better for the pastor to distribute them to his 30 (to 50) followers to use instead of the increasingly rare Sears & Roebuck Catalogs … then let’s see how the MEDIA covers the story … would they explain in painstaking detail the metaphor?
September 9th, 2010 at 10:23 am
ACTS 19-19…The early CHristians BURNED SATAN’S BOOKS..
As for lovey dovey self deceit read 2John 9,10,11…Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Siding with muslims is a sure way to gain god’s disapproval..
This verse condemns mohammed, koran and muslims all antichrist… 1 John 2-22..Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Acts 19-19..Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all [men]: and they counted the price of them, and found [it] fifty thousand [pieces] of silver.
Jesus was killed for saying he is son of god…Those that side with Islamic lies also side with those who killed jesus…and will be judged accordingly..
September 9th, 2010 at 10:27 am
If the talking heads, so-called experts, any of those against the burnings, and even the entire Obama administration, understood “Christianity” according to THE WORD of GOD (i.e. “The Bible”, Scripture, The Tanakh, etc.), not the watered down versions so prevalent today, then they’d begin to understand more of why Terry Jones is [planning on] burning Qur’ans (Korans); All of Islam is a cult, and especially, an abomination to THE GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). Allah was/is a moon-god.
Those of you who are “Christians”, and tolerant of Islam, ask yourself (and diligently seek the answers to) the following:
1) Why does the Qur’an (Koran) frequently reference THE WORD of GOD (“The Bible”), but THE WORD of GOD (“The Bible”) never references the the Qur’an?
2) Why does Islam deny the Deity of JESUS CHRIST. . .and especially The [HIS] Resurrection?
3) JESUS CHRIST said/says that HE is THE ONLY WAY to GOD. . .Islam says otherwise. . .who’s lying?
Remember this: THE GOD of Scripture is NOT about a Religion (even Judaism and/or Christianity), but about a RELATIONSHIP!
September 9th, 2010 at 10:29 am
WWJD…HE WOULD expose the lies of satan from hell to brekfast.. goodby koran lie…
September 9th, 2010 at 10:30 am
The Quran has led countless millions to the pits of hell with it’s deception of leading people to worship the false god Allah rather than the one true God Jehovah and for that reason alone it is consistent with the faith for a Christian to destroy/burn it, which in turn keeps it from deceiving another soul. The victory mosque in the workings is a slap in the face of the 3,000 victim families who are still hurting since the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01. The demand to build a mosque at Ground Zero has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of religion since already at least half a dozen mosques already exist in that community. It has everything to do with the Islamic tradition of establishing a victory mosque on the location of their hardest hitting assaults as a means of claiming that land for themselves and their religion. Nearly 3/4 of America STRONGLY opposes the Cordoba mosque being built in that location for the obvious reasons listed. We do NOT intend to permit radical Islam to take over America in any way, shape or form and for that reason I applaud the pastor who is taking the necessary symbolic step of making that crystally clear through destroying copies of their incendiary book. May the Lord save our way of life on behalf of our posterity!
September 9th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Just think of the Islams, that Burned Christians, It’s just a Book, people burn books all the time, It’s not a book of religion, It’s a book of power.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:47 am
THE BIBLE IT SELF SEEM TO INDORCE BURNING OF EVIL LITTITURE.
KORAN IS EVIL NABOR OR NOT THEY ARE EVIL PEOPLE I AM SPEAKING OF Arabs and Moslim THERE REGLION OF HATE AND DEMON PRATIC. GET THEM OUT OF AMERCIA BURN THERE TRASHIE KORAN. THEY DID 9/11 AND HAVE NOT ANSWRED TFOR IT. WAKE UP AMERICIA GET LIBRIL PROGRESSIVE OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.
CORKEY MONTGOMERY
September 9th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Israel is the Holy Land. It is stated as such in our Holy Bible. Islam is of Satan as is the Quran. If the world does not wake up soon it will be world war again against the Muslim Fanatics. They have declared war on Israel and the U.S. Should we burn the Quran? probably not, but untill we destroy the fanatics they will continue to attack us in there cowardly ways. It is war and the only way to win a war is to attack and destroy the enemy.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:49 am
They have the right to burn anything they want, they obviously have read the Qur’an and find it an offensive political idealogy. To follow the Qur’an requires one’s allegiance to Islam vs allegiance to a country and its laws.
The Qur’an states that a good Muslim must work to have Shira Law the law of the land.
September 9th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Well, Mr. Jones sure came to town, didn’t he? Threatening to do something is all it takes any more to start a firestorm of criticism and condemnation, two things the Christian bible frowns on. This whole scenario explains why at the age of seven, almost seventy years ago, I walked away from all forms of organized religion, everywhere! I witnessed hypocrisy first hand, saw the pain in the faces of two people I loved with all my heart and knew that most of what is preached is done so for power and control over peoples’ minds, and concluded that from that point on, I would have control of my own mind. It worked beautifully and I have had a wonderful life, actually lived by the ten commandments and didn’t need to have someone tell me how to be kind and thoughtful of other peoples’ feelings. Truth, honor and dignity will win out every time. Do I think that anyone should burn a book, of course, so long as it’s their book. It seems a waste, however, with so much illiteracy in the world today, books should be treasured, not destroyed. I do think that Mr. Jones is simply trying to tell the world that Muslims are violent and primitive and far from peaceful as our Administration would lead you to believe. More than that, however, is that you can’t trust them because lying to their enemies is fine with them and they consider all non-Muslims the “enemy.” That includes many of you and me, we’re the bad guys and Muslims are the good guys, yeah, right!
Clifton Lee West
September 9th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Seems like a long stretch from \asking Jesus if they could call fire down from heaven on a Samaritan village that rejected their message\ to burning a quran. I have no problem as a Christian Pastor with the church burning the qurans,The New World Bible, the book of Mormon or any other book that would lead God’s creatures astray. However, I don’t see why they need to rub it in the collective muslim faces.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Nice sermon! Almost as riteous as the folks you riteously condemn for acting, well… RITEOUS!!!
Puh-lease… we wouldn’t even be having this moot debate if it were not for BO throwing HIS riteous logic on otherwise cold embers. So let’s all serve it up: Jones can burn all the Korans in Florida if he wants to, because he has the RIGHT to do it!! And why should he ‘play nice’ when the Pres says the Imam doesn’t have to?
Yeah, some call it revenge; maybe it’s just a lesson in TOLERANCE that neither Obama nor radical Islam has learned, nor ever thought it was expected of them too.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:13 am
I would like to remind all people and especially the clergy that the popular Jesus “meek and mild” of the Beatitudes is not the Jesus of Revelation “in power and Glory”. The Beatitudes were taught by Jesus to show how we were to treat the Christian community and Jesus gave us a demonstration of how to confront evil when he whipped the money changers out of the Temple.
I hold that Christianity is NOT a suicide pact.
I believe we are called to resist evil when we find it. Many times by shining the light of truth on it. Book burning may be reprehensible but the Islamic evil is exposed by the intolerance and cruelty perpetrated to people all over the world including Americans at 9/11 and all women.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Nice sermon! Almost as riteous as the folks you riteously condemn for acting, well… RITEOUS!!!
Puh-lease… we wouldn’t even be having this moot debate if it were not for Obama’s riteous logic. So it’s true: Jones can burn all the Korans in Florida if he wants to, because he has the RIGHT to do it!! And why should he ‘play nice’ when the Imam doesn’t have to?
Yeah, some call it revenge; maybe it’s just a lesson in TOLERANCE that radical Islam has actually never learned, nor ever thought it was expected that they should.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:23 am
I say go for it pastor. This is a symbol of burning evil that we reject world wide. Moon god- no way.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:28 am
I think it very wise decicion to take a stand aginst this fake religeon that was invented by man around the 5th century…We the usa have done suffered enough at the hands at of these radicals how easy this country forgets all the terrorist things they have done to us..Burning these books signifies we aren’t goina take it any more..Not even having that mosk at ground Zero of the twin towers enough is enough..we the people rule this country not the carpet baggers of washington….
September 9th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Burn them,burn them all,why must”WE THE PEPOLE” have too tolerate muslim intolerance toward America????????
September 9th, 2010 at 11:39 am
No one anywhere complains when arabs burn my Bible. I totally support the burning of the quran! If the Pastor needs a body guard, I’m available.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:41 am
While Terry Jones has every right to burn the Qu’ran, this blog is right to ask if such an action is helpful.
In an age when more Muslims are questioning their received faith than ever before, and when the number of Muslims coming to Christ has both pleased missions agencies and taken them by surprise, we Christians have a duty to the Great Commission to show that the Gospel is not a club held over their heads.
Yes, the Qu’ran is full of error and evil. But it would have been far better if Bro. Jones publicly read some of the more violent and nasty passages of the book to let the country know what prompted the 9/11 bombers to act. But let’s refute–and refutation needs knowledge of the thing refuted–not imitate the barbarous and stupid behaviors that we see on the Islamic street every day.
I was once in a university library, where they had a special exhibition on the history of freedom of the press. One of the first items was an early 17th century English pamphlet by a “godlie” minister who got his ears cropped for disseminating Puritanical views. Since age and natural causes claimed Samuel Rutherford before he could answer the king’s summons, King Charles II’s hangman had to be content with burning his _Lex Rex_ at the crossroad. So, maybe a dislike of book burnings is part of our heritage?
September 9th, 2010 at 11:42 am
I don’t think Christ was being so “loving” when he overturned the money changers’ tables in the temple. Have we all turned into PC wimps? Islam has been terrorizing ALL women and “Infidels” (anyone in creation who is not a Muslim “man”)for 1400 years. How many of you would stand by and watch your daughter stoned to death because she refused to marry an old man? (This happened recently. The video of the stoning is on YouTube. The insane crowd of Muslim “men” who enjoyed this particular piece of entertainment were laughing and taking pictures of the poor dying girl with their cell phones!) I would not! Islam has to be stopped. Any action that displays our contempt for Islam and Shariah law, any person who stands up to this murderous cult, is helping to spotlight exactly what Muslims are all about. Don’t drink the KoolAid the administration and the politically correct crazies are doling out. See Islam for what it really is and stand against it.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I believe a book is a book and that’s why the bible says to keep God’s word in your heart. But more importantly it certainly pushes buttons I think we are seeing the real Islam’s colors showing through and if war would become eminent it would also show the true colors of our president. What a glorious day that would be. To much fraud and secrecy happening in the upper powers of the US I think this might just be a ticket puncher!
September 9th, 2010 at 11:56 am
This man had me till he told the lie concerning Israel…It not being a Holy land or with any eschatological significance, and conerning the caveat about no redemptive significance…that is illogical. If anyone has ANY concern for the name of God, we need to be sensitive for HIS plans. Israel and Jerusalem and a remnant of the Jews during the last seven years of history, this side of the thousand year kingdom; we need to demonstrate mercy, because GOD is planning a major demonstration of mercy since He had mercy on the gentiles. It it definitely true that the church age with our ministries in line with God is the only game in town, but it is in infrastructure of God’s final plan for the Jews this side of Christ’s setting up the millenial kingdom that we need to acknowledge as well. When the churches are gone, the individual gentile christians during the last seven years will PRACTICE the Agape Love that the churches have failed to practice during their very long extended more than two thousand years history. What a shame. In the meantime, America, already at risk because of her abortion – the shedding of innocent blood of children that God hates so much, will surely perish before the time when we as a righteous people turn away from Israel, the nasty Jew, or anything Zionism. I am concerned about the book burning because my wife goes on medical missions to countries heavily infested with Muslims, and her sister is a Muslim. I am NOT wanting to have a stupid act by a offering plate dipping so-called pastor unnecessarily inciting the radical muslims on an issue that cannot be defended ANYWAY. In that I am in no wise happy with the Mosque being in the vicinity of the 9-11 disaster, I am not willing to balance THEIR insensitivity with a like demonstration concerning the Koran…which should not be burned but read and understood in order to be able to resist the suggestion that it holds anything sacred. The Muslims, themselves, cannot understand it and get their religion from extra teaching authorities, similar to that of the Catholic Magisterium.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
That’s ok Michael. I’ll let you be the martyr and suffer through the age of persecution.
As for myself I’m preparing for battle and I don’t mean in a spiritual sense.
Political correctness is going to take down the United States of America. Unfortunately, those who think an olive branch can be offered upon the “religion of peace” born out of barbarism and bloodthirstiness are just fooling themselves.
80 percent of the mosques in the USA are funded by Saudi Arabia. For those who don’t know, Saudi Arabia practices Wahhabism, a brutal form of Islam. The Muslim schools associated with these mosques have textbooks which clearly teach children that Islam is THE dominant religion in the world and all others are inferior. The Saudis are playing for the long term. That means if it takes years to develop political influence that’s ok with them. They can afford to be patient. Make no mistake about it though, when they get enough political influence, just like they have now in Europe, they will start making demands. It’s already showing up in places like Dearborn Michigan.
I’ll let you be the good dhimmi.
You can keep whistling past the graveyard but do so on your own peril and quit trying to drag others down with you.
There is nothing glamorous in dying for Jesus when you could have done something different and protected yourself.
Jesus gave all of us a brain and expected us to use it.
I hear too many Christians say, “well God is in control, so it doesn’t matter what I do.” That is a pathetic way to go through life and nothing more than a pseudo pre-determined defeatist attitude.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Although I believe that Islam is of the Devil, burning the Koran will not help it; it will hurt it. We must stand up to it by proclaiming Jesus as the way, the truth and the life. And those who come to the knowledge of Jesus must be bold in their witness. We won’t accomplish it by burning the Koran. Let us love our foes as well as their friends. Doing something like that is blasphemy against God in every way. We’re called to proclaim unconditional love rather than burn other religion’s books.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I have mixed emotions on this topic. Over the last few years some leaders in our country and some of the media have loudly supported a picture of a crusifix submerged in urine, and a satue of the Mary, the mother of Jesus, covered in feces as “art”. One of these even had the support of the US Governments National Endowment for the Arts. It has been stated repeatedly that burning the American Flag is protected by the first ammendment (free speach).
So, while I don’t approve of this Koran burning, I would like to see consistancy . . . is this not also “free speach”?
And if we are really worried about the impact this could have in the “muslim world” maybe the media should choose not to cover this solitary event by some obscure pastor.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
There is absolutely no difference between Jones and imam Rauf. Zero, zip, nada.
1) Both claim to be pastors or leaders of some kind
2) Both claim their right under US law to do what they are doing
3) Both are guilty of stupidity, insensitivity, and misinterpreting God
Their acts are not *religious* but rather, political expressions. How curious we claim to be in Afghanistan to show people the power of our political system, but only Christians are supposed to kowtow though. As proof, our president comes out against Christians doing stupid things, but in favor of Muslims doing stupid things. This is not surprising, he himself said “if the political winds change, I will side with the Muslims”. But that doesn’t make either of these two ninnies correct either.
I don’t have a solution for the Jones’ of the world. I do have one for the Ground Zero mosque. It has several simple parts:
1) Include in the “interfaith center” actual *interfaith* chapels, blessed by their respective leaders. That is, one each of Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim prayer areas.
2) Make *all* prayer areas open and connected to a central open area.
3) Build the NYC center *ONLY* when Saudi Arabia allows construction of an *exact* duplicate within Mecca, and grants open access to all including non-Muslims to get to the site.
4) Open both on the same day, and invite leaders of every church to attend both sites. That includes an invitation of the Pope to Mecca and of the Ayatollah to NYC.
5) Create an escrow fund of about 25% of the cost of the TWO sites.
6) Sign a contract that if any person is blocked from either site, for any reason other than immediate security, that that site AND the other site will be immediately closed. If after 3 days, full access is not restored to BOTH sites, then the escrow funds are to be used to destroy BOTH sites and all of their contents within 3 days.
7) Mandate that *no* political action group or other funding group shall be allowed to contribute to either site. Instead, all funds for maintenance and operations are to be collected from individuals, with their name and donation amount published on an open and free website, and a cap of $20 US per person per year. Further mandate that ALL funds received, regardless of which site receives them, will be split in half with half going to the other site, to ensure no radical religious group attempts to hijack either or both sites
8 ) Make the head of maintenance and operations a 2-year volunteer position, with names drawn from a drum during a public event, and with full control of each site given to the volunteer in this role. To avoid the role being hijacked by fanatics, each major religion with a chapel at the sites would submit no more than 10 names every 2 years (total of 50 names in the barrel), of which only one name would be drawn. There would be no backup role – if that person becomes sick, injured, or attacked, 10 new names from each religion would be placed in the barrel at another public event.
Could it work? I don’t know, but obviously these “clerics” need somebody to enforce principles of fairness and decency, since they are both very obviously incapable of policing themselves.
Separate the religion from the politics, and this is much easier to discern. What we have are two imbeciles trying to outdo each other, and sucking in the rest of the world (Christian and non alike) into their twisted webs. Remember the old saying: “It’s pointless to argue with fools, because onlookers will quickly have a hard time deciding who is who”.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Michael are you or are you related to the soldier who George Patton called a yellow belly and ran him out of the hospital tent? I am against the mosque at ground zero and if the preacher wants to make a statement than so be it.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
The Pastor is destroying a man-made object. It is a book. For that offense the Islamic jihadist want to kill lots of living innocent people who have nothing to do with it. If not Americans, then they will kill whoever is available including those who opposed the burning. That’s not religion. That is lunacy!
September 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
I am in complete support of Terry Jones burning the Koran or Quran or however it is spelled. I would go one step further and slaughter a pig and dump the blood on it before setting it on fire.
Is it a provocation? Perhaps, but just the act of being an American is a provocation to the Muslim. Being a Christian is a provocation to them. This country has way too many journalists and politicians who are appeasers. It is not hate that generates this act. It is desperation that our government does nothing to stop the Muslim take-over of our country and the world. I have no problem with a Muslim being a Muslim in the Muslim countries. I have a big problem with the Muslim being a Muslim in my country.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Yes It\s O.K. to burn those books It\s abount time GOD\S people stood up against.Satan and his Imps. (Paslm 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers. Or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity.) I Will be Praying for REV. Jones If I could I would go down there and help him
September 9th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
My concern is for our troops in the Middle East. They will surely be the ones who suffer from this. BRING HOME AMERICAN TROOPS! The people in the Middle East neither want our presence or appreciate our help.
Once our troops are back with their families, we can start to rebuild our country. Face it people, these are the strongest and bravest people in our country, we need them.
As for Rev. Terry Jones..
He is a brave man and deserves the right to Freedom of Speech. He is not breaking any laws if he keeps the fire under control. And he is delivering a message that has been silenced too long. So, bring the troops home and give Rev. Jones the respect and freedom he deserves.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
The muslims I think are walking on shakey ground (thin ice).
they come over here under false pretenses and once they are here they try to take over – what a plan. it is a shame the american people are still asleep and don’t even realize what is going on here. You know it is bad when muslims can trump a legal american citizen in the united states of america !
Americans in general are a bunch of complaining whimps. we take in everybody and let them walk all over us. REMEMBER when the muslims take over you will see their plan unfold. they will probably kill alot of the people that say anything about them (mind you even in this country). If you dont know that they have an agenda then you are way more gullible than I ever thought.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I would love to go on and on about some philosophical issue, however…..burn books sacred or otherwise has NEVER been a good Christian practice.
September 9th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Reverend Terry Jones has as much right to burn a islam bible as they do to burn bibles,burn american flags,torture christians around the world & even kill christians around the world. they do all thses things and wow our liberal media & even our so called leaders call a simple little pastor and his congregation on the carpet? wait a minute , ask the question – why are our so called leaders in the tank for & with these evil people? not to mention the liberal media.
September 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Why wasn’t there and our-cry from Hillary, Obama and the rest of the world When our Chaplains were forced to burn the bibles that were written In Afghan a few months back. They said nothing,but We were forced to burn them by the government
September 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Burning books is like killing radicals , it creates martyrdom, If you really want to make a difference , convert Muslims to Christianity . This will never be easy , impossible for radicals , but will have a much more profound effect than striking out with meaningless gestures . Women especially need rescuing from this evil that denigrates and defiles .
September 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
They have the right to burn the Qur’an or any ohther book they desire just as the Imam has a right to build the mosque wherever he wants. The question for both is the same -just because it is a right, should it be done?
BUT the difference between the Islam faith and the Christian faith is that the Christians will let a bible be burnt, pay no attention, take no action and go on their way. The Islam religion goes ape shit, riots, burns flags and effigies, shouts it’s hate for any religion that is not of Islam.
Watching the Imam Rauf on Larry King I heard the message that if the moderate muslims do not get their way, the terrorist muslims will go nuts. So, I guess that from here on in any moderate muslim that does not put mush thought in to something and makes a bad decision that offends Americans or Christians it will just have to stand no matter how much it upsets others because if that moderate changes his/her mind ( I don’t know why I said HER mind ’cause women are not allowed to think in Islam) the radical muslims will have a melt down!
C’mon America, it’s time for others to demonstrate their tolerance instead of the Americans having to be the ones that give in to everything and anything that comes down the pike!
Am I Islamphobic? hell yes and I think that I have good reason to be such.
September 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
If you think there can be a co-existence between Christianity and Islam, you do not know centuries of history which loudly proclaim otherwise. In Islam, religion and government are one, no separation. Think of how our government would have to operate under Sharia law. Tell our woman that they are third class citizens on a par with animal rights. Are you kidding? Wake up before its too late. Christ did not have a problem driving the money changers out of His Father’s house and neither should we when our culture and people are threatened by a religion that advocates murder of the infidels and the end justifies the means. There is no quarter and none can be given!!
September 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I would recommend to Terry Jones (no relation) that rather than burn the koran, he read from its error filled passages, and then answer those errors with in context passages from God’s WORD, the Holy Bible. For nothing is more powerful than God’s WORD, and I’d recommend Terry finish with the world’s media watching, with the true Gospel of Salvation found only by Grace, through Faith in Jesus Christ, Messiah, Yahweh!
Brother Terry, if truly you are my brother in Christ, bury self and let the world see only Christ in you.
All that said, can anyone who truly is moved to violence by the burning of any book call themselves “moderate?” “Vengence is Mine, thus sath The LORD.” Jesus shall return, every knee shall bow and every tongue proclaim Him King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Even so Come, Amen!
September 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
[...] demonstration might have on the propagation of the Gospel. As one prominent Christian thinker eloquently noted, an interest in faith relations or international peace is valid only if accompanied and informed [...]
September 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Sure it’s a childish action to do but the responses are much more telling. The ACLUA will be there in opposition being in support of diversity of religion which has never been a question. Not in support of the pastors religious rights. Although they will support the right to burn our flag, art with the bible in poop, urinating on nuns and so forth the freedom of this pastor doesn’t warrant support. The Jacksonville New Black Panthers have warned of the violence that will ensue if he goes through with it. Really? From the religion of peace, hard to believe. The religion of peace demonstrations around the world exhibit their character. While burning and trampling our flag and screaming death to America they want our tolerance and respect. They really want to build some bridges don’t they. By bridges they mean tolerate and capitulate to them and there had better be appeasement so as not to anger them or there will be blood.
There is of course the cartoon where there are mobs of protesters burning the flag and the preacher is watching from a distance as an armed Predator drone circles above. This is the attitude toward their religion prompted by their reactions
By their majority disrespect and acting like animals they only define themselves more as a group to disassociate from as openly capable and embracing of violence.
It is all accepted as diversity. When their leaders openly call for the duty of good muslims to kill Americans due to this “disrespect” and there is no wide spread condemnation by the “moderates” it is accepted as what we deserve. No one wants to speak up against them for fear of being knifed in the back by some coward that smells like a goat. This preacher is being disrespectful but he has stones.
If you show up for the burning in your new designer koran sandals you’ll be a disrespectful idiot but you’ll expose the true nature of the religion of peace for their intolerance.
September 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Burning any books is bad. Think of the times when the world plunged into darkness after books were burned; the burning of the librarie(s) at Alexandria and the Nazi book burnings prior to WW2!
September 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
As with the Cordoba Mosque in NY. It may be legal but is it wise?
September 9th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
I dont’ condone any destruction of any relgious book (Bible, Quran or Hebrew Bible). Anyone who promotes hate in any form, shape or color is no more a Christian than Satan himself. I do beleive that in order for Christians and Muslims to live together that one another should understand the similarities in beliefs and the difference in them on fundamental issues. Issues as to what they believe about God, Jesus, the word or God (Quran vs Bible) salvation, eternal judgement, prayer, fasting and worship, war and vengence, morals and finally treatment of women.
September 9th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
I agree with Kepha – One could READ the portions that need to be addressed from the Quran and then compare passages in the BIBLE that show a different Spirit – a Spirit of love from YHWH and the difference between our creator and Allah, who is the moon god and is full of hate and violence in the more recent passages and incidently the more recent passages of violence is what they go by – the older more peaceful passages are negated by the more recent ones – according to how they believe.
Also – why wave a red flag in front of a bull? If one wants to burn an evil book – a group could do it without making a public thing of it, which might set off a whole lot of killing of Christians in this country. Pray the protection of the Almighty and read Psalms 91. If you are an obedient believer and you know the name of your God (YHWH – or Yahweh/Yahveh/Yah – or the English translation Jehovah) then you know him by name. “I will set him on high because he hath known my name” And it’s not Allah!
September 9th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
As Victor said, Islam coming into our country is indeed a Trojan horse. They can soon outnumber us in population with 4 wives each and 8-10 children per wife.
As Pastor Jones said, We are supposed to be tolerant when they burn Bibles but they get upset with the Koran being burned. It is equal to a phone book in my view and I HAVE read much from it.
He also said that when they are a very small minority, they are quiet, but as they grow in strength, they become more vocal. They will take advantage of our freedoms to their own ends. There are 58 countries in which they can live but leave America alone!
September 9th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
I read through the comments, and realized something. Both sides are just about the same – crying out whose God is superior. Each religion is NOT the sole way EVERYONE should live. In my opinion, religion doesn’t make you a better person as much as if you weren’t religious.
Mainly, I think that though the other side is being belligerent, one should realize who they are in the relationship of their faith. Is it truly to follow their savior, or to lay responsibility upon someone else’s faults?
There are extremists on both sides. I think fear is what’s causing this to occur.
I definitely give support to the troops. They do go all out for the US and others.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I’m sorry I didn’t understand that it was a rhetorical question for this persons platform. You should have left off the question mark. You had me going there I actually thought I was going to be able to vote or wanted other peoples opinions.
September 10th, 2010 at 2:05 am
Michael Horton sounds like the guy… that would tell Jesus that he did wrong to drive the money changers out of the Temple! That the Lord was divisive and against the progress of diversity! Give me a break… we are at War… and the Muslims drew first blood. Islam is a Cancer and the sooner America has the surgery and Chemo the BETTER!!! We need a Constitutional Amendment banning the Practice or Advocacy of Sharia Law ANYWHERE in America. Sharia teaches and advocates the killing of innocent people as a tenant of Faith… It is the ultimate in hate speech people… it goes or America will go… just look at France and the rest of Europe!!!
September 10th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Cows! That is what we have become. One priest with a congregation of fifty threatens to burn the Koran and he gets a phone call from the Secretary of Defense. All this attention!
Salman Rushdie – is it safe to come out yet?
September 10th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Acts 19: 19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Jones owns the books he intended to burn. The Quran is anti-Christian.
Quran
5:14
From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show
them what it is they have done.
5:51
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft−forgiving, Most Merciful.
September 10th, 2010 at 7:43 am
What happened to our Freedom? I wouldn’t do it, but everyone has a right to his/her opinion – people burn flags, Bibles, etc. – these people make us sad, but it is their right. I will pray that this church makes the right decision.
September 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
[...] Michael Horton of “The White Horse Inn” has written a wonderfully thought-through response, I’d encourage you to take the time and read through what he’s posted. (FYI: I just realized the similarities between his post’s title and my own, and I’d like to assure you that I came up with this post independently from his own and did not intentionally copy or plagiarize anything from his post. I quickly skimmed his post yesterday, wrote my own today, and just finished editing it while linking to it here.) [...]
September 10th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
a pacifist is a traitor to humanity..while no politician objected to ground zero mosque..there is condemnation for burning a book..the enemy is among us..our government..
i love this country but complacency is consuming us for we cannot see the creeping infestation..
that is the one good thing b.hussein obama did for our country: bring islam out of the shadows so we can more clearly see the REAL mission of muslims.
September 10th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
those who forget history are doomed to REPEAT it….anybody read up on the Crusades….There is no mutual respect between Christianity/Judaism and Islam….I have observed over 50 years of mostly hate coming from those of the Islamic faith….some say it is only radicals and we should overlook those few, but it has become very obvious that those few radicals seem to control the stated views of Islam. Mutual respect means mutual….when I see Islam allowing westerners, christians, jews, to wear what they want and build what they want and worship where they want, in Muslim countries, as we are trying so desperately to allow in the US, then and only then will I have respect for the Muslim faith. Lets build a synagogue in Tehran, lets build a large 9-11 memorial in Mecca, lets call those arrested in Iran for hiking across the border, illegals and give them benefits and a free ride home, lets stop traffic in every major Islamic capital and allow christians to pray at certain times of the day with no adverse affects….there is NO mutual respect and history will repeat itself….this is the time and place where a working, tax paying formerly silent American draws a line in our sand.
September 10th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
An interesting post that accurately represents the biblical perspective. Many of the comments are also well-pointed, although they may not agree with the original post. the quotes from the Koran are telling. We should also remember the original prophecy of Islam in Genesis 16: “The angel of the Lord also said to Hagar. ‘You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery.
‘He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.’”
How unequivocabally true that prophecy has been.
September 11th, 2010 at 7:25 am
I condemn any burning of any books, period. We are not Nazi Germany. In addition, burning the Koran will not bring Muslims to Christ. Presenting the Bible as it is, brings Muslims to Christ. Ask any Muslim who converted to Christ and I’ll bet you find it was when they actually read the Bible and saw that it did not agree with the Koran and then studied further that they realized the truth because then and only then could the Holy Spirit convince them through the actual Word of God. As for end time scenarios, the only one that does not need a bunch of out of context hoops to jump through is the dispensational, premillennial, pretrib one. Yes, Christ is the only way to Heaven, period. However, God is not finished with Israel, as Paul stated in Romans, “all Israel will be saved”. He was not writing about the church but about the remnant of Israel during the 7 year Tribulation when finally, the Jews who God has not purged out, meaning all that are left call on Jesus, finally as their one true Messiah. At that time they will believe and will be saved.
September 11th, 2010 at 7:49 am
A true Christian knows that they are in no position to burn any book that does’nt belong to them. A Christian knows he/she is a sinner in need of God’s grace and mercy.
To take it upon oneself to go about burning books from other people’s religions is presumptious, arrogant and confrontational.
One does’nt have to agree with the Muslim faith- but going down to the level of those who would also burn our Bible is definitely not going to win you any kudos from God– Who spoke about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
Someone has to be the Bigger person here- and sounds like many Christians are content fighting fire with fire — and are showing themselves no better than those they criticize.
Being a bigger person in this situation by restraining yourself from destroying the Quran, for example, even if they burn all of our Bibles- does not mean that you are to give up your Christian beliefs and become a Muslim, for crying out loud! But it does mean putting our Christian faith into practice. Extending love where there is hatred.
September 11th, 2010 at 7:54 am
When Jesus drove the money changers out of the Jewish Temple- it was only because #1- this was what the Father asked of Him, and #2- it was the Jewish Temple– his own religion’s temple.
It was NOT the Roman Empire’s Temples or the Pagan temples. YOu didnt see Him or His later disciples knocking over Roman statues or Greek statues. He reached them out of love- many of the Greeks and Romans converted to Christianity out of thier own free will because the disciples SHOWED Christianity by their actions.
September 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I agree that as Christians we are to refrain from insulting those from different religions. But Americans and citizens around the world are being duped into believing that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. And I believe this is why Mr.Jones was doing what he did,he never intended on burning any books. He wanted to show us just how muslims would react if offended. And by sending him death threats and damaging his church,and looking at the violent protests going on in muslim countries It is pretty clear that we are not dealing with people who follow a loving and caring God.
Christians are being raped,beheaded and sold into slavery by supposed followers of Islam. Those who leave the religion are targeted and if possible killed. Are we to just tuck our tails between our legs and keep our mouths shut? Is this what God wants us to do?
September 11th, 2010 at 8:04 am
All I know is when I watched beheading videos and stoning videos and heard about the muslims mutilating their women so that they wouldn’t enjoy sex and wander off, well I have no use for them. Personally I think that America should have no use for them. Religion of peace my ass, they are bent on world domination. They shouldn’t be protected as a religion here in the USA because their religion comes with Sharia Law attached and their own government and life style as well. The more we allow them to get away with the more they will take. I can’t for the life of me understand why our “leaders” are so worried about their feelings? And it would make it more dangerous for our troops? Get real they are in a war zone. It’s always dangerous in a war zone. This nation with it’s political correct “bend over and take it” attitude has about zero “street smarts”. If things don’t tighten up soon these primatives will be beheading their wives in the village square and getting away with it. WAKE UP AMERICA.
September 11th, 2010 at 8:10 am
They cut off the head of a journalist because they hate Christians. They whip a gang raped women because she was out without a male member of her family. We want to burn the Koran and they threaten to kill Christians. Perhaps as a Christian I shouldn’t burn the book that allows them to imprison, enslave, or kill me because I’m a Christian, but as an American it’s my duty to point out evil. I believe it is also my duty as a Christian. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, so say the Lord my God. Burn as many Korans as you think necessary until the evil known as Islam retreats back to the darkness from where it came.
September 11th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Perhaps it is time for those who preach a tolerance not in the Bible to remember what else Jesus said.
Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
John 7:18:
He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Luke 11:21:
When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
September 11th, 2010 at 11:34 am
An otherwise irrelevant pastor’s plan to burn the Qur’an on September 11th has the World in outrage. Media is in a furor over it–which begs the question. When “artists” put the crucifix in a jar of urine, smeared dung on a photograph of
the Virgin Mary, and engaged in a host of other anti-Christian acts, where was the outrage? The elites defended them! When will respect of religion be extended to all faiths? Make no mistake: Attorney General Eric Holder is using this pastor of fifty congregants to promote his own narrative of “Islamphobia in America.” IF this is so dangerous why are the media, White House officials, and
the President hyping it?! Just something to beat Americans into submission to get the Mosque built In NY and to make us more receptive to Islam. Imam Rauf appeared on Larry King Live last night and seemed to make veiled threats about
the tsunami of Islamic anger that would spill forth if the mosque was moved away from ground zero. Why are all the pundits so worried about the ramifications of this act if Islam is so peaceful and loving and OK? It’s not about tolerance and respect it’s because of what the proponent of Islam will do. So I guess every time some Muslim is offended we have to give up is rights and bow down to their
demands. There are 1.2 billion Muslims of which 1% is terrorists (16 million) why aren’t the non-terrorists standing up and speaking against the terrorists!
Islam is not your traditional religion per se it is much more than a religion it is a governmental system which controls all aspects of individuals life.
September 11th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Listen, the bunch of us want to reach out to people and be nice and friendly. Unfortunately all too often those elements of the American way are seen by people as antiquated and sign of weakness. Jesus tells us to die to self and lift others higher than ourselves. Also Jesus is the Rock of Offense and cause for those who are proud to stumble. He also tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. So I have read all the blogs and believe in part the many who think it a bad idea. In looking at this as a First Ammendment subject only than drive on I am in total support of Pastor Jones or anyone else doing what they believe -within the law- to be their right. Through the eyes of Christ – though I am loathe to be thinking anything that may be the mind of God- we are taught though again to love even as we are loved. So God has loved us with an everlasting love, and underneath are His everlasting arms. Again, Yeshua is the Rock of Offense and many who come are crushed and will fall. Many more will come and be healed. Go therefore into all the world teaching the Word of God to all creatures great and small. Leave the bias behind. There is a big world out there!
September 11th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Sir, Nicely articulated, soundly scriptural. The Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony is what is being built into the church today. He is soon coming.
His servant.
September 11th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
I’m appalled at the ignorance expressed by some. For one, the “sword” Jesus spoke about was the sword of the Truth!
Jesus admonished his disciples not to be part of this world, and that He could have excercised his power by taking over Ceasar’s throne but did not.
Burning the Quran is violating the spirit of the law, even though the letter of the law in the U.S. allows individuals to do so. Jesus condemned the Scribes and Pharisees for putting the letter of the law over its spirit. Are we so unfeeling as to insist on our legal rights even if it results in mass murder around the globe, in less developed countries?
I am so sad to see how Christians have apostasized from the faith of Jesus Christ enmass. Turning the other cheek is out of vogue; the Muslims did bad to us and we will do worse to them? A dangerous kind of apostate Christianity is plaguing Christendom today that rivals radical Muslims who pervert their own teachings.
September 11th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Surely the god of the Koran is big enough to take care of those mean christains burning burning his book.No where in the Koran does it say it is the word of god.So,what is the big deal any way? Only words on paper
September 11th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
In the process of researching a book I have just published, it came to my attention that:(1) During the Crusades of 1099, the Knights Templar encountered and fraternized with their supposed Muslim equals, an organization named “The Hashishim”, (2) Muhammad got much of his “inspiration” from a vaunted appearance of the angel Gabriel while Muhammad was holed up in a cave. We know from Scripture that Satan is able to transform himself into an “angel of light.”
It is my contention that Muhammad was stoned on hashish in that cave when Satan appeared to him masquerading as Gabriel and Muhammad said, “Cool, man! Lay it on me Gabe.” and so began a religion of hatred, murder and conquest by the sword.
Allah is not the same God we Christians and Jews worship–Allah is Satan himself. And thus this B.S. about “We all worship the same God so let’s be buds!” is exactly that–it’s B.S. Let’s face it: Islam is a devil religion from the git-go which is born out by the Quran and the actions of true believers in Islam worldwide.
September 11th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
“His central message in books, sermons, and broadcasts is Christian Zionism—which includes a call for a pre-emptive strike of Iran by Israel. Although such voices are on the fringes of what used to be a more mainstream movement within evangelicalism, the basic paradigm (namely, radical dispensationalism) is held by millions of Christians in the U.S..”
Dr. Horton, I think you underestimate radical dispensationalism’s influence on “mainstream” Christians:
* the most popular women’s author in Christian books/ bible studies is Beth Moore, her bible study on Daniel is very popular and very dispensational,
*Mike Huckabee was a popular Christian candidate for President and he proposed the forced ethnic transfer of all Palestinians from historic Palestine into Saudi Arabia,
* I have been to several “Reformed” churches where the understanding of eschatology of the people in the pew is no different than those who have read Hal Lindsey and the Left Behind Series, etc, etc, etc.
When Huckabee was campaigning for President I did not here one iota of criticism from any Christianity and Culture type writers on his position of Palestinian ethnic transfer which essentially is a form of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
I think in many ways because Reformed churches do NOT emphasize eschatology in the same way Calvary Chapel, John Hagee and other Christian Zionists Reformed people in the pew have filled their eschatological vacuum/ lack of knowledge with the popular Christian Culture’s view which is Left Behind Series Theology.
I am often trying to encourage people to love their Muslim and Arab neighbors rather than fear them, in fact today I spent at least an hour of my daughters’ school picnic in deep discussion about these issues with a Calvary Chapel friend. I often feel like I am one woman show, meaning I am the only Christian and particularly in Reformed circles pleading this teaching of Jesus.
Speaking of Jesus, just today I saw a post on John MacArthur’s GTY about Islam, I was disappointed that Johnny Mac chose to be negative about Islam rather he could have encouraged believers by telling them that:
* Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet
*Muslims believe Jesus is alive in Heaven and will return to Earth to defeat the Dajjal, or Antichrist.
And that these Muslim views of Jesus open doors and dialogue. In my personal experience in sharing the gospel with Muslims, because Muslims revere Jesus as prophet and Messiah (Qu’ran 3:45) we have a point of departure that enables us to share the gospel and tell our Muslim neighbors about Jesus. Rather what we have spreading like wildfire in America and her churches is this anti-Muslim, anti-Arab caricature that in reality the farthest thing from most peoples minds is to love their neighbor and talk to them about Jesus of Nazareth who lived in Palestine, in Egypt … and I wonder if all of this Mid-East directed phobia and hate is the work of Satan placing obstacles to the gospel of Jesus Christ before a people who desperately need Him and the good news he brings.
And some final thoughts on Zionism by my former seminary professor Dr. Kline:
What Zionist ideology projects is a grotesque parody of the kingdom of God – a land without the temple, an earthly fullness without a heavenly focus. From the beginning it was not so. And if it be that a temple building is included in the plans of these modern architects of the kingdom, while they yet spurn the claims of Jesus, the promised seed of Abraham, the Christ of God, what is this but another Babel-tower, another titanic attempt to erect the cosmic focus by autonomous human effort, another repudiation of the grace of God and his redemptive provision of the true holy temple-city from heaven? Such a pseudo-temple the man of sin might occupy but the Son of Man, himself the true temple, would ultimately destroy it. Any response from the Christian community, dispensational or other, that does not challenge the Zionists’ appeal to God’s covenant with Abraham to justify the present Israeli occupation of Palestine represents a tragic failure to confront them with fallen man’s absolute lack, in himself, of claim on God’s covenanted kingdom and with the sinner’s desperate need to find restoration to God’s favor through Jesus Christ. To show sympathy to the Zionist in his defiant claim is to hide from him the gospel of God’s love and to encourage him on his unbelieving way to perdition apart from Christ, the sinner’s only hope.
Meredith Kline, Kingdom Prologue (Wipf and Stock, 2006), p. 347.
September 12th, 2010 at 1:18 am
ps… I should say , you didnt see HIM or HIS FIRST DISCIPLES OR ST. PAUL deliberately knocking down Roman or Greek statues-
I’m sure the Early Church years later knocked down these statues, because by that time, Christianity already started getting somewhat corrupted by man’s good intentions.
Point is- we need to clean “our own House” of corruption and let God take care of the other faiths out there His way. This is not to be confused as compromise, however.
September 12th, 2010 at 2:26 am
“Burn as many Korans as you think necessary until the evil known as Islam retreats back to the darkness from where it came.”
Do you really really believe that intentionally scandalzing Muslims is going to make Islam retreat into the darkness?
Wow, you have another thing coming.
Sinking to their level by burning their Qu’ran could insite a holocaust- and don’t think it’s not possible with the way our media loves to stir the pot for the sake of news.
Seems to me from many of the posts here that, sadly, the Muslim attitude has already entered our Christian churches- and we are quick becoming just like the Taliban hotheads.
September 12th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
1) A prudent approach to this problem is to have language scholars carefully translate
the Koran into English (unless it has already been done). 2) Then have religious
scholars from all faiths have an intense study and interpretation of what the Koran
states and the Bible. 3) Have a discussion of all the contradictory interpretations
televised in the U.S. and recorded on DVD.
Let all people then decide which is the truth.
September 12th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
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September 13th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Ernie wrote on September 9th: “No, it is not OK for Christians to burn Qur’ans … burning the book they call holy is not OK.”
Should we take what you say as an override of the Constitution?
Henry Mitchell
September 17th, 2010 at 7:06 am
God is great and he wil be withus in fight against our enemies and we wil win and be rescue from hurts and hate and be big in salvation and life in Jesus who is the king of the king in for ever ,thanks and bless and pray,keijo sweden
November 5th, 2010 at 1:52 am
As usual, Mr. Horton cannot restrain himself from becoming involved in politics:) It seems that Horton likes freedom of religion as long as the religious person happens to agree with Horton’s views on common grace and being politically correct within the Democratic Party’s definition of such. Horton should move to rural Georgia:)
While I admire The White Horse Inn program and this blog, I read it with a critical eye and not as a blind follower of self-appointed demagogues.
Mr. Jones, despite his heterodox Pentecostal views, has every right under the United States constitution to burn a Koran if he so chooses. His acts are covered by both the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights.
Looks like Horton favors a form of liberal theonomy. Agree with Horton or else! Perhaps the doctrine of common grace is at fault here. Horton can’t decide if he’s going to be a Calvinist or a closet Arminian/Amyraldian, which is what the common grace position really is.
Charlie J. Ray
February 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
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