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	<title>Comments on: Michael Horton on Rick Warren, Modern Reformation, and Desiring God</title>
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		<title>By: Reasoned Perspective: Michael Horton on Rick Warren, Modern Reformation, and Desiring God &#124; Shane&#039; Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-5232</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasoned Perspective: Michael Horton on Rick Warren, Modern Reformation, and Desiring God &#124; Shane&#039; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. An excerpt from the article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. An excerpt from the article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UPDATED: Are You Sure You Like John Piper?</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-5222</link>
		<dc:creator>UPDATED: Are You Sure You Like John Piper?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up to his &#8220;doctrines of grace.&#8221; Michael Horton writes about Warren&#8217;s great &#8220;tailoring&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up to his &#8220;doctrines of grace.&#8221; Michael Horton writes about Warren&#8217;s great &#8220;tailoring&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Piper Interviews Rick Warren &#171; Thoughts from a Calvicostal</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-5061</link>
		<dc:creator>John Piper Interviews Rick Warren &#171; Thoughts from a Calvicostal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rick Warren, his theology/ministry/thought, I would encourage you to read what Michael Horton wrote here. Also, I apologize for any discrepancy in what I wrote and what was actually said in the interview [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rick Warren, his theology/ministry/thought, I would encourage you to read what Michael Horton wrote here. Also, I apologize for any discrepancy in what I wrote and what was actually said in the interview [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Online Discernment Ministries Gone Wild &#171; runlevel five(pointer)</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-4609</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Discernment Ministries Gone Wild &#171; runlevel five(pointer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is just one little problem: Horton has specifically and decisively voiced his opposition to Warren&#8217;s teachings in regards to the Gospel. For example: Speaking first for myself, I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is just one little problem: Horton has specifically and decisively voiced his opposition to Warren&#8217;s teachings in regards to the Gospel. For example: Speaking first for myself, I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add to Ms. Schlueter&#039;s comments.

It wasn&#039;t that long ago that Sean Hannity gave Rick Warren 5 minutes unedited to answer the question: &quot;how does one get to heaven.&quot;  Millions watching.  How did Warren respond? While I can&#039;t quote verbatim I remember being disgusted because there was a lot about purpose and vision and such (all concepts from his book, of course) but no cross.  Penal subsitution and depravity were nowhere to be found.

I don&#039;t expect Mr. Warren to use the terms of the Reformation (i.e. the Bible).  But is it too much to ask to at least communicate the basic concepts of salvation in a 5 minute &quot;gospel presentation?&quot; E.g. our sin, Christ&#039;s diety, perfection, substitution and resurection.  I&#039;ve heard this &quot;second chance&quot; language in reference to salvation from his lips several times.  He actually uses the golf analogy often.  Jesus died so that I could have a second chance? A muligan? Are you kidding me? This is no less heretical than the prosperity pimps telling me that Jesus died to make me healthy and wealthy.  Warren may be sincere, but he is decieving millions.  I pray that folks like brother Piper and Horton will be able to convince him of his error.  Otherwise I fear for his soul and the souls of many who believe his &quot;gospel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add to Ms. Schlueter&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that long ago that Sean Hannity gave Rick Warren 5 minutes unedited to answer the question: &#8220;how does one get to heaven.&#8221;  Millions watching.  How did Warren respond? While I can&#8217;t quote verbatim I remember being disgusted because there was a lot about purpose and vision and such (all concepts from his book, of course) but no cross.  Penal subsitution and depravity were nowhere to be found.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect Mr. Warren to use the terms of the Reformation (i.e. the Bible).  But is it too much to ask to at least communicate the basic concepts of salvation in a 5 minute &#8220;gospel presentation?&#8221; E.g. our sin, Christ&#8217;s diety, perfection, substitution and resurection.  I&#8217;ve heard this &#8220;second chance&#8221; language in reference to salvation from his lips several times.  He actually uses the golf analogy often.  Jesus died so that I could have a second chance? A muligan? Are you kidding me? This is no less heretical than the prosperity pimps telling me that Jesus died to make me healthy and wealthy.  Warren may be sincere, but he is decieving millions.  I pray that folks like brother Piper and Horton will be able to convince him of his error.  Otherwise I fear for his soul and the souls of many who believe his &#8220;gospel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Ingrid. In my opinion, with Rick Warren you get a Bill Clinton politician who becomes whatever someone wants him to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Ingrid. In my opinion, with Rick Warren you get a Bill Clinton politician who becomes whatever someone wants him to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it wasn&#039;t for some Reformed that came(and ministered the word) to the independent charismatic church that I was attending and influenced one of the pastors on staff a number of us from that charismatic setting wouldn&#039;t be in reformed churches now. So, with that said, I think it&#039;s important for the Reformed to be loving toward those who aren&#039;t and do what they can to bring about more Reformation in our churches and to others who aren&#039;t. I&#039;m not in the U.S and when the reformed in america talk like Dr. Horton make it seem like a little &quot;me&quot; club which guys like Warren can never be in and that&#039;s not true. If God is sovereign(which he is), he can do anything and anything includes Rich Warren also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for some Reformed that came(and ministered the word) to the independent charismatic church that I was attending and influenced one of the pastors on staff a number of us from that charismatic setting wouldn&#8217;t be in reformed churches now. So, with that said, I think it&#8217;s important for the Reformed to be loving toward those who aren&#8217;t and do what they can to bring about more Reformation in our churches and to others who aren&#8217;t. I&#8217;m not in the U.S and when the reformed in america talk like Dr. Horton make it seem like a little &#8220;me&#8221; club which guys like Warren can never be in and that&#8217;s not true. If God is sovereign(which he is), he can do anything and anything includes Rich Warren also.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris E</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1095</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid -

As Dr Horton points out &quot;Working toward the common good is the calling of every person, believer and unbeliever alike&quot;, so some - though not all - of Rick Warren&#039;s work with other groups is a working out of people co-operating in the civil sphere  to work towards the common good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid -</p>
<p>As Dr Horton points out &#8220;Working toward the common good is the calling of every person, believer and unbeliever alike&#8221;, so some &#8211; though not all &#8211; of Rick Warren&#8217;s work with other groups is a working out of people co-operating in the civil sphere  to work towards the common good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Martuneac</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Martuneac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the issue is being addressed here.

Rick Warren embraces deliberate pragmatism of the worst kind; routinely misuses Scripture to cover his own ideas with a veneer of divine authority; promotes extreme ecumenism; redefines ministry in terms of social activism and accepts the worst sort of evangelistic reductionism.

Rom. 16:17 is very clear, “mark” and “avoid.”  With Rick Warren’s track record of “contrary” doctrine and practices there is no subjective decision to make regarding him in light of Rom. 16:17.

Piper, however, chooses to embrace and give him recognition, which will lend credibility to Warren and his methods.  Piper also puts impressionable believers, who follow him (Piper) at risk by giving Warren another national platform, which could lead to their spiritual demise.

There are few in Christian circles who have done more harm to the New Testament church, the cause and Gospel of Jesus Christ than Rick Warren. He replaces the Great Commission and the New Testament church as laid out in Acts and the Pauline Epistles.

Piper’s embrace, hosting and partial defense of Warren and his methods is inexcusable.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the issue is being addressed here.</p>
<p>Rick Warren embraces deliberate pragmatism of the worst kind; routinely misuses Scripture to cover his own ideas with a veneer of divine authority; promotes extreme ecumenism; redefines ministry in terms of social activism and accepts the worst sort of evangelistic reductionism.</p>
<p>Rom. 16:17 is very clear, “mark” and “avoid.”  With Rick Warren’s track record of “contrary” doctrine and practices there is no subjective decision to make regarding him in light of Rom. 16:17.</p>
<p>Piper, however, chooses to embrace and give him recognition, which will lend credibility to Warren and his methods.  Piper also puts impressionable believers, who follow him (Piper) at risk by giving Warren another national platform, which could lead to their spiritual demise.</p>
<p>There are few in Christian circles who have done more harm to the New Testament church, the cause and Gospel of Jesus Christ than Rick Warren. He replaces the Great Commission and the New Testament church as laid out in Acts and the Pauline Epistles.</p>
<p>Piper’s embrace, hosting and partial defense of Warren and his methods is inexcusable.</p>
<p>LM</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2010/04/01/michael-horton-on-rick-warren-modern-reformation-and-desiring-god/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for being gracious, Dr. Horton.

As Richard wrote, too many Reformed brethren are not charitable.  In fact, it is as if being contentious is now part of what it means to be Reformed.  Sadly it was not always that way.  Not every Reformed brother is a Luther and not every non-Reformed brother is an Erasmus or a Servetus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being gracious, Dr. Horton.</p>
<p>As Richard wrote, too many Reformed brethren are not charitable.  In fact, it is as if being contentious is now part of what it means to be Reformed.  Sadly it was not always that way.  Not every Reformed brother is a Luther and not every non-Reformed brother is an Erasmus or a Servetus.</p>
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