Comments on: A Review of the Manhattan Declaration http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html White Horse Inn Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:18:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1.2 hourly 1 By: FNF http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-1402 FNF Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:44:04 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-1402 Excellent article. I wonder if you are aware that others have taken a similar stance. Pastor and author Ted Weiland of MissionToIsrael.org recently preached a similar sermon called "Why I’m Not Signing the Manhattan Declaration" - 'Why, in light of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, I refuse to sign The Manhattan Declaration, despite its excellent points.' If interested one can hear it at: http://www.kingdompromises.org/kingdompromises_audio/836.mp3 Excellent article. I wonder if you are aware that others have taken a similar stance. Pastor and author Ted Weiland of MissionToIsrael.org recently preached a similar sermon called “Why I’m Not Signing the Manhattan Declaration” - ‘Why, in light of 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, I refuse to sign The Manhattan Declaration, despite its excellent points.’
If interested one can hear it at:
http://www.kingdompromises.org/kingdompromises_audio/836.mp3

]]> By: Beau McKinley Boyd http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-704 Beau McKinley Boyd Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:24:55 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-704 Yarb, I think you hit the nail right on the head. That is exactly why the reformed are opposing this. James White is a personal friend of mine and I think both he and Dr. Horton have done a great service to the Kingdom by exposing this Tiber-foot-watering that COlson and the others are trying to pawn off as "gospel." I loved your last comment about answering Jesus, Bro! It makes me proud to know that I share the Gospel with others who actually care about our Lord and His Kingdom and aren't willing to paddle around in the Tiber as if social Gospel issues were at stake here. Lord bless you, Bro! Yarb, I think you hit the nail right on the head. That is exactly why the reformed are opposing this. James White is a personal friend of mine and I think both he and Dr. Horton have done a great service to the Kingdom by exposing this Tiber-foot-watering that COlson and the others are trying to pawn off as “gospel.” I loved your last comment about answering Jesus, Bro! It makes me proud to know that I share the Gospel with others who actually care about our Lord and His Kingdom and aren’t willing to paddle around in the Tiber as if social Gospel issues were at stake here. Lord bless you, Bro!

]]> By: Yarb http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-670 Yarb Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:35:03 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-670 I appreciate the article and the comments. I heard James White (on Dec 17 2009 podcast) give a very good response to comments by Dr.Ligon Duncan on signing. While being enriched by the ministries of many of the evangelicals who signed, I can't help but wonder if this is a creeping, slow seduction to, if not to 'cross the Tiber', then at least to get signers' feet wet, thereby paralyzing their witness to the Gospel. One cannot fight for the benefits of the Gospel by allying with those who don't have the Gospel.It is the salt that preserves. I can't imagine what I would say to Jesus if I had to tell Him "I was trying to save the things that pass away by giving up the thing that saves!" I appreciate the article and the comments. I heard James White (on Dec 17 2009 podcast) give a very good response to comments by Dr.Ligon Duncan on signing. While being enriched by the ministries of many of the evangelicals who signed, I can’t help but wonder if this is a creeping, slow seduction to, if not to ‘cross the Tiber’, then at least to get signers’ feet wet, thereby paralyzing their witness to the Gospel.
One cannot fight for the benefits of the Gospel by allying with those who don’t have the Gospel.It is the salt that preserves.
I can’t imagine what I would say to Jesus if I had to tell Him “I was trying to save the things that pass away by giving up the thing that saves!”

]]> By: Beau McKinley Boyd http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-659 Beau McKinley Boyd Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:26:54 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-659 Interesting side note for us Protestants who aren't united under the Romanist "shepherd" we left: Quite a few of these unified Romanists voted for.... dun dun dun: Obama. Hmmm, "Babies are being killed by the thousands daily. the right to speak out against homosexuality is threatened," so Catholics unite under the Protestan's lost Shepherd and vote in favor of these things!! Yeah, it's only the Protestants who aren't united boys. Guess we'd better pack up our uniforms and swim the Tiber back to Trent. Good thing that good old Avignon Papacy issue cleared up all the confusion! Gerry Matatics is definitely confirmation of the unification of Rome! http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-how-religions-voted.html Interesting side note for us Protestants who aren’t united under the Romanist “shepherd” we left:

Quite a few of these unified Romanists voted for…. dun dun dun: Obama. Hmmm, “Babies are being killed by the thousands daily. the right to speak out against homosexuality is threatened,” so Catholics unite under the Protestan’s lost Shepherd and vote in favor of these things!! Yeah, it’s only the Protestants who aren’t united boys. Guess we’d better pack up our uniforms and swim the Tiber back to Trent. Good thing that good old Avignon Papacy issue cleared up all the confusion! Gerry Matatics is definitely confirmation of the unification of Rome!

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-how-religions-voted.html

]]> By: Beau McKinley Boyd http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-658 Beau McKinley Boyd Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:18:48 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-658 "THis is what is wrong with Protestantism- it refuses to embrace anyone except those that agree with each new doctrine it creates. This is why the only way to unite Christians is to bring them back to the shepherd and faith they left so long ago. Protestantism has failed." He's right, guys, we are clearly not as embracing as he is of those who disagree with us.... =) “THis is what is wrong with Protestantism- it refuses to embrace anyone except those that agree with each new doctrine it creates. This is why the only way to unite Christians is to bring them back to the shepherd and faith they left so long ago. Protestantism has failed.”

He’s right, guys, we are clearly not as embracing as he is of those who disagree with us….
=)

]]> By: Gregory http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-642 Gregory Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:42:00 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-642 Babies are being killed by the thousands daily. the right to speak out against homosexuality is threatened. And what do we do, Christians? We argue about the soldiers' different uniforms! How petty! Think clearly. Would Jesus Christ be more concerned about the people attending or the ones in need of healing? The Bible is clear on this issue. Jesus protected the innocent, healed the sick and admonished the sinner. He did not mind if His followers were of varying degrees of understanding the Gospel. He taught them all. He healed them all. Why must we squabble about which version of the Gospel might or might not be mentioned, while babies die and we lose our rights to speak openly about our faith. THis is what is wrong with Protestantism- it refuses to embrace anyone except those that agree with each new doctrine it creates. This is why the only way to unite Christians is to bring them back to the shepherd and faith they left so long ago. Protestantism has failed. It's time to swim the Tiber before it is too late. I did so 15 years ago and am so glad to finally be home. You see, our shepherd warns us about the dangers- like contraception that led to the mass killings of unborn children. Christ left us the Church; it's time to humble ourselves and accept His way, not our own failed methods. Babies are being killed by the thousands daily. the right to speak out against homosexuality is threatened. And what do we do, Christians? We argue about the soldiers’ different uniforms! How petty! Think clearly. Would Jesus Christ be more concerned about the people attending or the ones in need of healing? The Bible is clear on this issue. Jesus protected the innocent, healed the sick and admonished the sinner. He did not mind if His followers were of varying degrees of understanding the Gospel. He taught them all. He healed them all. Why must we squabble about which version of the Gospel might or might not be mentioned, while babies die and we lose our rights to speak openly about our faith.
THis is what is wrong with Protestantism- it refuses to embrace anyone except those that agree with each new doctrine it creates. This is why the only way to unite Christians is to bring them back to the shepherd and faith they left so long ago. Protestantism has failed. It’s time to swim the Tiber before it is too late. I did so 15 years ago and am so glad to finally be home. You see, our shepherd warns us about the dangers- like contraception that led to the mass killings of unborn children. Christ left us the Church; it’s time to humble ourselves and accept His way, not our own failed methods.

]]> By: Rev. Dave Kinney http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-635 Rev. Dave Kinney Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:41:51 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-635 Okay, since we couldn't agree on the ECT document, and we're having trouble with the Manhatten Dec., is it possible to compose one of our own? Are we straining at theological gnats, while we allow our culture to swallow camels? Okay, since we couldn’t agree on the ECT document, and we’re having trouble with the Manhatten Dec., is it possible to compose one of our own?

Are we straining at theological gnats, while we allow our culture to swallow camels?

]]> By: Beau McKinley Boyd http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-158 Beau McKinley Boyd Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:06:23 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-158 Mr. David Waltz says: Two significant “problems’ with the above: first, if Catholics and the Orthodox “do not in fact possess the Gospel”, then pretty much no Christian from Clement of Rome until Martin Luther possessed the Gospel [see HECKEL’S informative essay for important insights on this issue]. Beau Reply: Wow, Sir, you have quite the omniscient ability to know the mind and hearts of a whole lot of people you've never even met. I certainly can't compete with that. I wonder, would you tell the Orthodox folk: "from the time of the early Greek Fathers to the 11th century no one believed like you!" I get the feeling you would not. I do believe that the Gospel has existed throughout the history of the church, during the evolution of Romanism (btw, which branch of Roman Catholicism do you think I would have to reply to? The post-Vatican II Catholics or the Council of Treat Cathoics?). I've read quite a few instances of such beliefs in my history studies at Westminster Seminary (see any of the recommended course reading list for that time period if you're interested). So no, Mr. Waltz, you are incorrect in your allegations of my "significant problems." Mr Waltz again: Second, Dr. Charles Hodge (one of the greatest reformed theologians of ALL time), shoots some serious holes in the above so-called “fact”: SEE THIS THREAD. Beau Reply: This isn't an argument, it's a foot note. I'm not interested in doing your homework (believe me, I've got plenty of my own to do, and then some). If you want to present an argument I'll respond, but merely pointing to something else that "shoots some serious holes" in my claims is simply just dancing around the issue. Cheers, Beau McKinley Boyd Mr. David Waltz says:
Two significant “problems’ with the above: first, if Catholics and the Orthodox “do not in fact possess the Gospel”, then pretty much no Christian from Clement of Rome until Martin Luther possessed the Gospel [see HECKEL’S informative essay for important insights on this issue].

Beau Reply: Wow, Sir, you have quite the omniscient ability to know the mind and hearts of a whole lot of people you’ve never even met. I certainly can’t compete with that. I wonder, would you tell the Orthodox folk: “from the time of the early Greek Fathers to the 11th century no one believed like you!” I get the feeling you would not. I do believe that the Gospel has existed throughout the history of the church, during the evolution of Romanism (btw, which branch of Roman Catholicism do you think I would have to reply to? The post-Vatican II Catholics or the Council of Treat Cathoics?). I’ve read quite a few instances of such beliefs in my history studies at Westminster Seminary (see any of the recommended course reading list for that time period if you’re interested). So no, Mr. Waltz, you are incorrect in your allegations of my “significant problems.”

Mr Waltz again:
Second, Dr. Charles Hodge (one of the greatest reformed theologians of ALL time), shoots some serious holes in the above so-called “fact”: SEE THIS THREAD.

Beau Reply: This isn’t an argument, it’s a foot note. I’m not interested in doing your homework (believe me, I’ve got plenty of my own to do, and then some). If you want to present an argument I’ll respond, but merely pointing to something else that “shoots some serious holes” in my claims is simply just dancing around the issue.

Cheers,
Beau McKinley Boyd

]]> By: David Waltz http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-152 David Waltz Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:13:37 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-152 Hmmm...seems that my links did not take; here they are again for those who may be interested: Heckel essay ("Is R.C. Sproul Wrong About Martin Luther?") link: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3817/is_200403/ai_n9401133/ Hodge thread link: http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2009/11/charles-hodge-is-church-of-rome-part-of.html Hmmm…seems that my links did not take; here they are again for those who may be interested:

Heckel essay (”Is R.C. Sproul Wrong About Martin Luther?”) link:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3817/is_200403/ai_n9401133/

Hodge thread link:

http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2009/11/charles-hodge-is-church-of-rome-part-of.html

]]> By: Mark B http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250/cpage/1.html#comment-147 Mark B Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:45:09 +0000 http://www.whitehorseinn.org/archives/250.html#comment-147 Those who hold to the two-kingdom view surely are not saying that Christians should not, with informed consciences, fight the expressions of injustice that prevail in our day. As a related question, what are the good books out there on the neo-kuyperian vs. the two-kingdom way of thinking? Those who hold to the two-kingdom view surely are not saying that Christians should not, with informed consciences, fight the expressions of injustice that prevail in our day.

As a related question, what are the good books out there on the neo-kuyperian vs. the two-kingdom way of thinking?

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